Evidence of meeting #15 for International Trade in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ceta.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jock Finlayson  Executive Vice-President and Chief Policy Officer, Business Council of British Columbia
James Maynard  President and Chief Executive Officer, Wavefront Wireless Commercialization Centre Society
Blair Redlin  Research Consultant, CUPE BC
Derek Corrigan  Mayor, City of Burnaby
Sav Dhaliwal  Councillor, City of Burnaby
Bruce Banman  Mayor, City of Abbotsford
Bill Tam  President and Chief Executive Officer, BC Technology Industry Association
Marianne Alto  Councillor, City of Victoria
Rick Jeffery  President and Chief Executive Officer, Coast Forest Products Association
Debra Amrein-Boyes  President, Farm House Natural Cheeses
Sven Freybe  President, Freybe Gourmet Foods
Stan Van Keulen  Board Member, British Columbia Dairy Association
Gordon McCauley  Chair, Board of Directors, LifeSciences British Columbia
Paul Drohan  President and Chief Executive Officer, LifeSciences British Columbia

11:40 a.m.

Bill Tam President and Chief Executive Officer, BC Technology Industry Association

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good morning. My name is Bill Tam, and I have the honour and privilege of serving as the president and CEO of the BC Technology Industry Association. I'm pleased to make the presentation today to the committee.

Perhaps I can start with a little bit of background on the technology industry in British Columbia. It really has become over the last decade a transformative force in the B.C. economy. It spans the diverse sectors of digital media; life sciences; wireless, information, and communications technology; and clean technology. The B.C. technology industry has become integral and vital to virtually every sector, and is part of what we see as the future prosperity of the province.

Within British Columbia, I think one of the aspects we get to capitalize on is just the wealth of talent, diversity of the companies themselves, world-class universities, and experienced entrepreneurs, all with the goal of building and growing globally competitive companies.

Over the past 20 years, the technology industry has grown from $4 billion in revenue to now about $20 billion in revenue, so about five times over that period. At the same time, the number of people who work in the sector has blossomed from 30,000 people to now about 90,000, which places us among the largest employment groups in the province. In fact, if you total up the number of jobs in the oil and gas, mining, and forestry industries in B.C., actually more people work in technology than all of those industries combined. That's allowed us to be one of the fastest-growing sectors in terms of job creation. Over the past decade we've been able to grow our share of B.C.'s exports from 5% to now 10%.

A lot of this plays to the strong underpinnings that we benefit from in the rise of the sector. Obviously, here in Canada we benefit from consistently being ranked by the World Bank as one of the most favourable environments to start a business. At the same time, we're particularly proud of the fact that British Columbia is what we consider to be a hub for start-ups. A nation-leading 3.7% of those who are in our working population characterize themselves as working in a start-up. Equally important is the fact that the metropolitan Vancouver region was identified among the top 10 start-up ecosystems in the world in 2012. We consistently rank very high on the charts in terms of livability, sustainability, and just the environment it takes to build emerging companies.

We also benefit from a number of favourable business climate and competitive factors. These include competitive taxation rates, government-supported R and D programs, and I think one of the first angel tax credit programs in the country, which has worked particularly well in supporting the emergence of new and upstart companies.

Now, one of the aspects we recognize is that the strength of entrepreneurship also has potentially a downside—namely, that within our industry set we have an overabundance of what we would characterize as small and very small companies. In fact, here in B.C. only 3.5% of all companies have more than 50 employees. That's in the technology sector. Nearly 70% of all the companies employ fewer than four people.

We often refer to this as a “growth gap”. Fundamentally, it's a growth gap in that we have an imbalance in what we consider to be the innovation continuum of small, medium, and large enterprises. We don't have nearly enough medium and larger companies. What this represents is a persistent drag in terms of the ability to scale the industry as a whole.

Supporting the growth of tech companies and building an increasingly robust ecosystem and competitive framework is one of the things we're committed to doing. We recently published our four-point plan for growing the B.C. tech industry, which highlighted the importance of continued strategic investments to elevate and accelerate the rate of growth for tech companies in B.C. and address some of the critical issues around access to capital, expanding and developing the talent base, expanding the access to customers and markets, and building company capacity overall.

Maybe I can take a moment just to speak a little bit about the B.C. technology association and some of the things we've been involved with. Over the past 20 years, we have been established as a non-profit organization funded by members to really accelerate the growth, development, and advancement of technology companies located in British Columbia.

Our mission is quite simple. It's to help companies grow and build world-class organizations and to really make B.C. the best place to grow a tech company.

Over that period of time we've had the opportunity to link various aspects of the ecosystem, connecting entrepreneurs, small and mid-sized enterprises, large companies, post-secondary institutions and universities, government agencies, venture capital firms, and service providers, all of which provide linkages across this vast ecosystem. Our membership spans all five key sectors including the information and communications technology sector, the wireless sector, life sciences, digital media, and clean tech. It includes companies from start-up to very large, and everything in between. In all, our member companies constitute and comprise about two-thirds of all the employees who work in the technology sector in British Columbia.

Our guiding principles are quite simple. We're here to help accelerate the growth of companies, to build a sense of community and common will to strengthen the B.C. tech ecosystem and to make sure that we can forge linkages and connect companies to opportunities, customers, and markets where they exist. In so doing, what we try to do is harness the entrepreneurial ingenuity and culture that does exist here in British Columbia. We focus on how we can help accelerate the growth of tech companies through the creation of more mid-sized and fast-growing companies that are globally competitive.

In 2010 we actually introduced our centre for growth incubator program, which was specifically designed to support the accelerated growth of companies by tying together mentors, coaches, resources, and the vehicles to help companies grow faster. Since 2010 we've had over 1,000 companies that have engaged in the program. We've provided more than 11,000 hours of support and coaching to them, and overall, these companies that we've worked with over the past three years have generated over $118 million in new revenue and investments and created over 400 new jobs.

Most importantly, it has been a program that has yielded significant benefits to the B.C. tech ecosystem. We have noticed that the BCTIA companies that are engaged in this program have grown proportionately faster and have a better survival rate. In fact, their survival rate is over 94% and they have grown, on average, three to five times faster than their peers.

Recently we undertook an initiative, which is led by a consortium of some of the biggest technology companies in British Columbia, to establish an innovation hub in British Columbia, essentially what we would constitute as a living lab for accelerated growth, and to facilitate a new set of anchors across the key technology sectors of information technology, digital media, life sciences, clean tech, and wireless.

We believe that the concept of hubs is a well-proven concept. The hubs enable a fluid exchange of ideas, capital, partnerships, market access, and the education that is vital to allowing companies to succeed. Our vision is to help to foster that through results-oriented connectivity and to connect that across similar centres across the country and across the world.

We've had the benefit—as BCTIA partnered with many of the trade organizations here provincially, municipally, and also federally—of a partnership with the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development. We've worked very closely with the Trade and Invest B.C. folks, Industry Canada, Western Economic Diversification Canada, the Vancouver Economic Commission, the Metro Vancouver region, the City of Surrey economic development office, and many other organizations over the years. We believe that the realization of an innovation hub will actually serve as a catalyst to draw more attention to Vancouver, British Columbia, and Canada, by demonstrating our prowess and ability to garner globally competitive companies.

Perhaps turning the page a little bit and specifically looking at the Canada-European Union comprehensive economic and trade agreement, we see that as a really positive signal in a few different ways. First of all, its notion to remove over 99% of the imported and exported tariffs on goods would allow greater access to services and investment. For the B.C. tech industry as a whole, this is a huge opportunity.

It's worth noting that within the context of our export activity, our export activity for technology products and services more than doubled in the period from 1999 to 2009, growing from just a 6.5% share to almost a 15% share.

One of the key benefits we see is improved market access for the B.C. services sector, which incorporates professional services, environmental services, information technology services, and software, because over that same period from 1999-2009 we saw that the services piece was by far and away the largest growth area. Technology services now account for nearly a third of all B.C. exports in the services regime. That's the technology representation.

We believe that the agreement will benefit our tech industry in the four following ways.

First of all, as I mentioned, CETA offers preferential access to the EU services market. We—

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Your time is tight, sir. Could you go through those four very quickly?

11:50 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, BC Technology Industry Association

Bill Tam

Yes, of course.

Also, CETA will improve labour and mobility. For us, I think the big component is providing the provisions that are necessary to have an increased talent pool.

Third, it will open access to government procurement, which is particularly important for clean-tech companies and a number of our ICT companies that are in that space, and last is increasing investment in capital flows.

On that note, perhaps I can conclude my remarks by thanking everyone on the committee for their time today.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Thank you for your testimony.

We'll now move to questions and answers. We'll start with Ms. Crowder.

The floor is yours.

February 3rd, 2014 / 11:50 a.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I want to thank the witnesses.

Just in terms of truth in advertising, Mayor Banman, I have to say that I'm from Vancouver Island and I see on the Twitterverse this morning that we had snow in Nanaimo.

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NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

I want to start with Mr. Tam.

Mr. Tam, I think you may be aware that earlier today we heard from a witness from Wavefront Wireless. He pointed out a couple of challenges for the technology sector. You did sort of skate over them, partly with regard to.... You outlined, and I think quite adequately, support for innovation, but he also pointed out that there are some challenges in the technology sector with regard to human resources, and that many of these smaller companies in particular have some real challenges with regard to export expertise.

Are there some specific recommendations you can make for this committee with regard to support for the technology sector in the context of CETA?

11:50 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, BC Technology Industry Association

Bill Tam

One of the aspects we identified was in fact that of addressing the issues around talent. That may speak to my colleague Jim Maynard's comments around expertise for export markets.

There are a few things that I think are necessary. One is to provide the kinds of support vehicles, through export agencies like EDC and others, that provide that kind of baseline, and also to work in cooperation with organizations like Wavefront, non-profit organizations that specialize in particular sector areas and that lead the entourage, if you will, or the opening of markets in very focused ways.

There's a third area that I would say is quite important. We actually work quite closely with our counterparts at the Department of Foreign Affairs and also with our colleagues in the B.C. government to bring multinational organizations to British Columbia, with the express intent of opening up the viewpoints of the innovations that exist here. By carving out those partnerships, it actually creates the opportunity to recognize the linkages that can be had here and allows those companies to more graciously move into the export markets.

11:55 a.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Thank you, Mr. Tam. That's helpful.

I know that many people talk about the fact that there's a European market 15 times the size of the Canadian market, but it also goes the other way. Then you have countries that are 15 times greater than Canada also trying to get into the Canadian market. It works both ways.

Mayor Banman, I want to turn to you for a couple of moments.

Of course, I come from the most beautiful riding in British Columbia, Nanaimo—Cowichan, where there is significant agriculture.

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11:55 a.m.

Mayor, City of Abbotsford

Dr. Bruce Banman

I'm going to go to that credibility thing—

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11:55 a.m.

Mayor, City of Abbotsford

Dr. Bruce Banman

We'll choose to differ on that, but carry on.

11:55 a.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

I invite you to come anytime—

11:55 a.m.

Mayor, City of Abbotsford

Dr. Bruce Banman

I've been there, actually.

11:55 a.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

—to do the wine tours in Cowichan.

11:55 a.m.

Mayor, City of Abbotsford

Dr. Bruce Banman

Good question—

11:55 a.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

I just want to touch a bit on the agriculture perspective. I think you're probably well aware that the dairy farmers have raised some concerns with regard to CETA. I wondered if you also share some of their concerns with regard to the impact on the dairy farmers and cheese production.

11:55 a.m.

Mayor, City of Abbotsford

Dr. Bruce Banman

I'm glad you asked me that question. While it's true that there will be increased competition for cheese, the one thing that has happened with the dairy is—this is my understanding from talking to the dairy industry—that we have a supply-controlled market and those concerns have been met.

One of the problems as I understand it, having talked to one of the largest producers of powdered milk in this area, is that it's our own agreements within the supply management that actually are now restricting them from being able to get powdered milk into China, for which there is a huge demand. We are actually missing out on a huge opportunity. According to one of the local dairy farmers that I spoke with, in the last 25-plus years their percentage has not increased much at all. It has been a flat industry with not a lot of growth, according to him.

So I think that while there are challenges within that, my understanding is that they have been mitigated to a certain extent. But we now have the ability, if we change our own Canadian policy, to have access to markets the likes of which we have probably not seen since the history of supply management.

11:55 a.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

I think the whole issue of supply management is probably a topic for another day because I think you would probably find there is no consensus at this table with regard to support for supply management.

You didn't specifically touch on it in your presentation, but with regard to the issue of procurement I know a number of municipalities have raised it, including your good friend Mayor Corrigan, and I wonder if the City of Abbotsford has examined if there is a potential impact on the city's ability to protect some of the services and goods that currently may or may not be protected in Abbotsford?

11:55 a.m.

Mayor, City of Abbotsford

Dr. Bruce Banman

While I'm not an expert in trade agreements what I can tell you is this. I am sure there will be challenges in that way to begin with, but I believe that Canadians are among the most competitive in the world. We are among the highest educated workforces in the world, so I believe we will be able to sort that out. I believe what is required is balance.

I also go back to the fact that we have a duty to try to find the most efficient use of tax dollars. We found this out with the American trade agreement for instance. It opened up some of those corridors. In my local area, window manufacturing, for instance, which is not really pure procurement per se, but our trade benefit for windows for large projects in the United States was actually higher after NAFTA than it was before.

Is there a risk there? Yes. But I go back to the fact that I'm just a simple businessman, a chiropractor, a mayor, a small business owner, and I have had some pretty simple boy looks at it. We have 35 million people in one of the largest countries by land base in the world versus 300 million people. As for the desire for us to niche into that market, I think the odds are well in our favour.

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Thank you.

Just for the committee's information, and Ms. Crowder's, have you ever been to Jasper as far as beauty in a riding...?

Before we digress, Mr. Hoback, the floor is yours.

Noon

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

Actually, Chair, you are talking about wine tours. My colleague Mr. Holder said he'd be a great neutral judge on both of those tours.

Mr. Cannan, I know you are probably going to jump into this argument too. We'll see what happens when it goes forward.

Noon

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

We usually get this in the afternoon not the morning.

Noon

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

We're not tired yet.

Mr. Mayor, it is great to hear you. It's a breath of fresh air considering what I heard before.

It seems like you have a community that's very aggressive and looking at these types of trade deals not as a hindrance or a problem but rather as an opportunity, which I think is the difference between the Conservative Party's position on this and the NDP. The NDP always feel they can't compete on anything. We'd rather look at it and say we can compete and our businesses can compete.