Evidence of meeting #46 for International Trade in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was airport.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ailish Campbell  Vice-President, Policy, International and Fiscal Issues, Canadian Council of Chief Executives
Jayson Myers  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters
Howard Eng  President and Chief Executive Officer, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

4:25 p.m.

Howard Eng President and Chief Executive Officer, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity to address you today on the global markets action plan and air transport agreements. This is an important discussion. We have had a tremendous amount of dialogue in recent years about how the proliferation of free trade agreements will have a positive effect on Canada's economy.

Today we have the opportunity to delve into the details of how trade actually happens, how goods and the people trading these goods actually move across borders. This discussion is an opportunity for us to think big and to think long term. We know that public policy has an impact on our business and its growth.

Open skies, airline deregulations, and indeed the establishment of current airports model in Canada, are all examples of how public policy innovations have led to significant new opportunities and growth for our economy. I would like to take you through some of our thoughts on this.

Today, business is global. Last year, Toronto Pearson carried almost 39 million passengers. By 2033, this number is forecast to reach 62 million. Of the 39 million passengers served in 2014, more than 12 million were to destinations outside North America. Toronto Pearson serves 31 Canadian cities, 44 American cities, and 96 international destinations These cities are served on 65 different airlines with more than 400,000 flights annually.

Toronto Pearson is second in North America in number of international travellers and the fastest growing airport in North America for the years 2010 to 2014. Our airport alone facilitates $35.4 billion, or almost 6% of Ontario's GDP, and supports 277,000 jobs. By 2030 these benefits will grow to $62.1 billion in economic value, which is 7% of Ontario' s GDP, and 478,000 jobs. Almost 450,000 tonnes of cargo was transported via Toronto Pearson in 2014.

As a leading global hub for the movement of people and goods, Toronto Pearson competes with other global jurisdictions, so we must have policies and the right legislative environment to support our economy's demand for aviation service to support this important economic engine. We, too, play a part in economic diplomacy as discussed by the Minister of Trade in the global markets action plan.

The airport is not only the first impression of Canada to most people coming into this country, but we are the gateway through which a tremendous amount of our trade and investment flows.

The global markets action plan and Canada's blue sky policy, which includes air transportation agreements, have been key drivers in this growth. As of January of this year, Canada has signed agreements with 44 countries that cover approximately 71% of Canada's international passenger traffic.

The government should be congratulated for the number of air service agreements that have been signed or modernized, many of which have helped Toronto Pearson support the greater Toronto area's economy, indeed Canada's economy. Canada has also concluded open sky agreements with countries collectively, representing about 91% of Canada's overall international two-way trade.

Toronto Pearson is actively involved in the international air policy process, contributing as a key stakeholder in the prioritization of target countries for bilateral talks and providing market insights and considerations in the development of negotiating mandates for the government.

Government has been very responsive to industry input and we are pleased with the results. As we develop our priorities for new and expanded air services, we often find that our priorities are aligned with those of government. This is particularly evident with respect to the Asian countries, such as China and India, where growth in air transportation is exponential. We need to maintain a focus on this region of the world to ensure that Canada captures its share of the enormous growth of the middle class in these emerging markets.

But we must not forget and must also address the needs and desires of passengers. They would like to have direct flights and increased frequencies—if not direct, then one-stop with fast connections—and a choice of fares and products.

To be truly competitive as an international hub that delivers economic benefit to Canada, we need to deliver on four key areas that improve access and flow at Toronto Pearson: getting people through the airport more quickly and more efficiently, which I call hassle-free flow; ensuring passenger security is a priority, while balancing the need to improve efficiency; attracting carriers and providing routes for passengers and cargo that maximize the airport's economic contribution to the region and country; and ground transportation, as the airport is never a person's final destination. We need efficient interconnectivity, not only to other airports but also to our Ontario and regional ground transportation infrastructure.

These factors will allow us to maximize our value proposition to the Canadian economy. Yet, there is significant competition for global hub status. To realize our potential for the benefit of Canada the airport must remain competitive with other major hub airports in the world. Anything that creates delays or unnecessary costs for international travellers hurts our ability to compete and must be examined and addressed. That means the processes by which we clear passengers through security. That means the processes by which passengers get through customs or U.S. pre-clearance. That means evaluating the effectiveness and efficiency of CATSA in providing screening. There cannot be any sacred cows if we want to be the best and make an optimal contribution.

Airports are economic engines for their communities. They generate and underpin jobs, investments, and commerce. For example, York University reports that it has students from 165 countries and 288 partnerships with universities around the world. Expenditures by international students in Canada were more than $8 billion in 2010. According to the president and vice-chancellor at York, “Toronto Pearson, as a globally connected airport, helps make this a reality.”

Airports are the conduits through which we realize the benefits of free trade relationships, something that has been a priority for this government. We know we need to continue to adapt to an ever-changing world and we believe we have been doing that. We also understand the importance of having continued dialogue on policy. From trade policy to security policy, safety, multimodal transportation infrastructures, and our partnerships with federal agencies, all need to work in a way that best serves us all.

With that, I would like to thank you, Mr. Chair, for the opportunity to appear before your committee today, and I would be happy to answer any questions you have.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Randy Hoback

Thank you very much.

We'll start off with Mr. Davies.

4:35 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Welcome back.

Thank you both, for being with us here today.

Mr. Eng, I wonder if you could help this committee understand a little bit about how the finances work between airports and airlines, and the charges.

Could you explain to us briefly and as simply as you can, what are the costs to an airline for having access to a particular airport?

4:35 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Howard Eng

The relationship between an airport and an airline is a really close partnership. We provide what I call the intermodal infrastructure, where we take people from the car, from the ground transportation, through our facility onto an aircraft, and the airline takes them to their final destination. In terms of charges, taking Toronto Pearson as an example, I have a charge, what I call aeronautical charges, which provide charges for the service the airline uses at an airport. I also have a charge called AIF, which I charge the passengers to pay for the infrastructure that is in an airport the passenger is using. I have a last source of revenue which comes out of non-aeronautical, which are other retails and concessions and so on.

In terms of aeronautical charges, I think what an airline pays is a small portion compared to what they pay for fuel, for staff, and for their own financing of aircraft. Our charges are probably a smaller percentage compared to those other costs they bear.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

If you can, could you give this committee some idea of where Canada stands in comparison to other countries regarding airport costs that we charge to airlines?

4:40 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Howard Eng

It is not an easy answer, and not because I don't want to answer. A lot of times airport charges in different parts of the world are based on different premises.

It may be best for me to explain how we set up our airport charges. We try to set it based on the costs to deliver our services to the airlines: the capital costs, financing costs, and operating costs.

To make members aware, over the last seven years, we have lowered our aeronautical charge by almost 30%. In 2013, we again dropped our aeronautical charge by another 10%, and we committed to the carriers that we'll hold that steady for a three-year period. They have certainty. They know what it costs them to fly to Pearson Airport, and with that they can make their plans accordingly for the route they want to do.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

I don't know if you were in the room and had a chance to hear the previous witnesses who testified, but if I understood the evidence of Ms. Campbell from the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, she said there's an aviation fuel tax of about 6.7% presently in Ontario. She thought that may be one of the highest taxes in the world. She said there could potentially be a competitive reaction to that, where flights might be moving to U.S. border airports.

Do you have any comment on that to help this committee?

4:40 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Howard Eng

That's the charge or the tax that the Ontario provincial government put into the budget. I understand that it is going to be increased over a four-year period. Certainly that's a purview of a government; that's a taxation policy.

We are working both with other airports in Ontario and with the airlines, looking at the impact. The key is that we want to address the whole issue in terms of the cost structures of airfares and the cost structures at the airports. As I say, we are looking at how we, as an airport, and with the costs under our control, can best support our business partners.

4:40 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

From a capacity point of view, the purpose of open skies agreements, as I understand, is to encourage airlines from around the world to fly to Canada and increase the business at airports.

Can you give us a feeling of the capacity at Pearson Airport? Do you have room to attract more airlines? What kind of capacity utilization are you at right now?

4:40 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Howard Eng

We have the ability, and as you can see in our submission, we're forecasting that we'll be at over 60 million passengers at Pearson by 2030. We have the capacity to handle that volume of passengers and the aircraft movements.

But again, we've been finding out recently that even with a passenger increase, that does not mean the number of flights have increased proportionately. What we've been finding in the industry, both manufacturing and airlines, is that they have been substituting smaller aircraft for larger aircraft. So while our number of passengers has increased—last year our number of passengers grew by over 6%—actual aircraft movement has grown by about 1%.

We expect that kind of substitution will continue to happen, especially for international flights where you need the larger aircraft.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

We also heard that Pearson does not presently have a public transit option, and it appears that would be a necessary piece of infrastructure.

Can you tell us if and when a public transit option is scheduled to be built at Pearson Airport?

4:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Howard Eng

I could maybe correct that.

There is public transit today at Pearson. The Toronto Transit Commission has a bus that comes to the airport.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

I think I meant mass public transit.

4:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Howard Eng

You're talking about the train type of operation.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Yes.

4:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Howard Eng

As far as I understand, the Union Pearson Express will be starting operation at the airport in early May of this year. It will provide a direct connection between the airport and downtown Toronto. That will be in operation this year.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Thank both of you for being here today. I really appreciate your testimony.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Randy Hoback

Thank you, Mr. Davies.

We're going to now move to Mr. Allen.

February 18th, 2015 / 4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Allen Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I appreciate the opportunity. Being a little rural boy from New Brunswick, it's hard for me to grasp, other than the times I have to travel through the Toronto airport and run from one place to another. There are only a handful of gates in the airport that I fly out of most of the time.

I'm just trying to understand. You talked about your number of passengers and your growth to 2030. Can you also talk about what your projected growth is in cargo and where you think you're going to be in three, five, and maybe even in 10 years. That's one of the things we just talked about with our last set of witnesses, the cargo business.

4:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Howard Eng

As I mentioned earlier, we do about 500,000 tonnes of cargo a year. We project that to probably grow in 20 years time to over 758,000 tonnes. Again, I think there is a lot of opportunity for that sector, for the simple reason that what we're finding in the world today is dedicated freighters are becoming fewer and fewer. More and more cargo is being moved in the belly of wide-bodied aircraft because those aircraft have tremendous capacity underneath there.

Again, to all the colleagues, taking my experience, you're aware that I worked in the Hong Kong International Airport for 17 years, from 1995 to 2012, and I saw the growth in cargo there. In 1998, I would say in the Hong Kong airport 60% of the cargo was carried through freighters, and 40% in the belly of the wide-bodied aircraft. Last year they handled almost four million tonnes of cargo, and they found a shift to 60% in the belly, and 40% in dedicated freighters.

With that additional capacity available on those wide-bodied aircraft, it actually creates an environment that allows for very competitive pricing. The volume is there, the plane is going as part of a passenger flight, so that actually creates capacity, which then I think creates opportunities for people who want to ship by air to have a more affordable means using air freight.

I look at Pearson in particular, with additional long-haul flights coming in that are all wide-bodied, which is again where the international trade goes. I think having an environment where there are a lot of direct flights, greater frequency to some of these centres where we want to trade, will allow more capacity. With more capacity it will probably allow for better pricing, and better pricing will probably encourage more of that activity in the future.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Allen Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

When you look at the 500,000 tonnes that you're actually carrying now, what is the nature of that freight in general?

Do you see any logistical issues? It seems to me, as you increase and ramp your freight up, there's the whole logistics process of getting the freight to the airport and dealing with congestion, getting it into clearing houses and logistical areas, and getting it on the planes. What kinds of problems do you foresee in infrastructure issues that you're going to have to deal with as an airport authority?

4:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Howard Eng

I think you're correct. I think we carry all sorts, again anywhere from.... I was assuring a shipper from Halifax about a month ago when he said, we just sold in one day through one of the Internet sites 5,000 lobsters to Shanghai. Can you assure me that the lobster will go through your airport safely and get to Shanghai, because in two days we sold 5,000? I said, great, we will assure you. So we have live seafood,

We have manufactured products, both ways. Obviously, there are things being manufactured in China, Vietnam, and those places, coming to Canada, so it's a mixed cargo. I can provide you with more specific data exactly, but I don't have it off the top of my head right now.

This is why I said in my presentation earlier that you cannot just think about airports and the air sector as air alone. As I said earlier, both cargo and passengers do not come to an airport because that's their final destination. We have been working with both the Ontario government and the city around the airport to say, how can we ensure that there's enough infrastructure in place so that people can effectively go from the airport to their final destination, which is what you're saying. Yes, I think the most critical thing is efficiently, effectively, getting to the final destination.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Allen Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

I'm sorry to interrupt you, but you're going to have mass transit for people going into Toronto, and that makes a heck of a lot of sense. At the same time you're going to have trucks and other kinds of things. Do you see that as a constraint?

4:50 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Greater Toronto Airports Authority

Howard Eng

Well, when I look at mass transportation, it's not just for the airport alone. I think we need to improve mass transit. That's why I say government policy has to encourage improvement of mass transportation so we can take some of the cars off the road, which will allow the roadways to be used for things like trucks, buses, tour buses, and so on. That's what I mean by mass transportation not just reserved for the airport.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Allen Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Okay, thank you for clarifying that.

One of the comments that was made by Ms. Campbell in the last panel was about one of the challenges that we have with our relationship with the U.S., which is actually getting landing spots in the U.S. She also commented on China, getting slots being an infrastructure issue. As part of our two-way trade and as part of our open skies type of policy, do you see getting slots as a challenge at Pearson, and for your people who operate at Pearson getting slots in other airports?