Evidence of meeting #32 for Justice and Human Rights in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was community.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Kim Pate  Executive Director, Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies
Debra Parkes  Member, Board of Directors, Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies
Michael Woods  Director General, National Criminal Operations, Community, Contract and Aboriginal Policing Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Robin MacKay  Committee Researcher

5:20 p.m.

Director General, National Criminal Operations, Community, Contract and Aboriginal Policing Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Myron Thompson Conservative Wild Rose, AB

Your socializing factor, as far as I'm concerned, is going to happen. But the gang activity, where they have outside contacts, have ways and means of getting resources in and out of the prison, where they're charging other inmates rent, charging for all kinds of services to other inmates, who, in turn, ask to go to solitary confinement for their own safety, that whole operation....

I think our chairman has hit the nail on the head. Maybe we need to look inside that penitentiary system and see what we can do with it. Outside contact can certainly be stopped. But their inside social...we expect that to happen.

Am I off the beaten track here? What is your assessment of that?

5:20 p.m.

Director General, National Criminal Operations, Community, Contract and Aboriginal Policing Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

C/Supt Michael Woods

I really can't comment one way or the other. I don't have any personal information nor have I researched that area.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Myron Thompson Conservative Wild Rose, AB

On that point, I've visited the penitentiaries; I've visited with the gang members, who aren't all of the same race or ethnicity. The Warriors and Indian Posse you would think are aboriginal, but there are a number of members of those gangs who are not of that origin.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

Thank you, Mr. Thompson.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Myron Thompson Conservative Wild Rose, AB

It's extremely active, and I think that's something we really need to consider.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

I agree with you, Mr. Thompson.

I'm going to actually bring the meeting to a close. We do have—

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Mr. Chairman, a point of order, before you do that.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

—some other business to take care of and I would ask members to stay put.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Might I ask Superintendent Woods if there's an assessment being done of the experiment that's going on in B.C., and if there is, could he provide us with a copy of it?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

Mr. Woods.

5:20 p.m.

Director General, National Criminal Operations, Community, Contract and Aboriginal Policing Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

C/Supt Michael Woods

Yes, there is, and I can.

5:20 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

If you would, that would be fine.

Thank you, Mr. Comartin.

I'm going to suspend. I would first of all like to thank the witnesses for coming and presenting. I believe it's given the committee some information to deal with. I do trust we will get the additional information that you have at your fingertips for the rest of the committee and for our report.

Thank you, again.

[Proceedings continue in camera]