Can I just put two more questions on the line? We only have limited time here.
First, there's was a suggestion by the Minister of Defence in the meetings held last summer that there is such a thing as an industrial strategy when it comes to the shipbuilding side of defence procurement. Would you care to comment on that? I'm assuming that the shipbuilders are possibly part of your organization as well. And do you believe the proper mechanisms for that are currently in place?
I guess the other question I have follows up on Mr. Stapley's answer. It's a shock to me, but perhaps not a surprise, that Canada is unique in not looking after its own industrial base first. But is there a country that is a model for what you're talking about here? I know you mentioned several countries that are doing certain things, but is there a country with a small defence market that you see as maybe the best example of what you are talking about?