That is a very good question.
The problems, the security challenges now, are increasingly in that grey space. Cyber is an excellent example, and we can recall what happened with Estonia a while back when there was a cyber-attack on Estonian infrastructure. How do you reconcile an alliance, which is transforming itself but still probably a little bit more in the traditional space than in the new space? How do you figure out what you're going to do in response to those threats?
I'm not being evasive here, this really is a discussion that is ongoing now. How do you deal with cyber-threats? One of NATO's initial responses to dealing with cyber was at least to put out a cyber-policy, which we did in 2011, I believe. It doesn't talk about military responses. It's more about the political solidarity, the discussion and dialogue on how we can help nations that have come under say cyber-attack in different ways. One of the things that NATO did after the Estonia attack was to establish a centre of cyber-excellence in Estonia to help countries make themselves more robust against cyber-attacks. So we bring the expertise of the alliance to bear.
This is why it's so important to recall that the range of tools that NATO has is not just military. It's just like Canada. It's the whole thing. It's the dialogue. It's the political. It's scientific. It's research and development. So how do you make yourself robust from a security perspective with regard...? We don't have defined parameters yet, but we're trying to deal with these issues like cyber and the non-traditional security threats. We've come up against that in dealing with counterterrorism for the first time in Afghanistan. How do you deal with insurgents who are not nationally based insurgents necessarily? These are new things we're struggling with, to be honest.