Just as a reminder, Mr. McKay, as well to our witnesses, as I've often quoted in here, in chapter 20 it's very explicit that members of the departments are excused from answering certain questions that may put their jobs in conflict with the ministers, and with things that are taking place that are discussions between staff and the ministers themselves and anything that might be determined as political versus that as the role of a civil servant. So I can quote it from the book if you wish, Mr. McKay, but I know that you're very familiar—
On April 26th, 2012. See this statement in context.