I'd like to thank all of the witnesses for being here today. I'm very grateful to them.
Ms. Winger, I can't help but to seize the opportunity you've given us to talk about non-public funds workers. I'd like to hear what the other witnesses have to say on the matter.
At the military base in Saint-Jean, where I'm from, kinesiologists sometimes earn half the wages that they would earn in the public system, in Quebec for example. As a result, there is a staffing shortfall of 48% among kinesiologists, and they are the ones who train recruits.
It is the same at Canex stores. The wages there are really quite precarious. Moreover, full-time positions aren't available to avoid having to give benefits to the people who work there.
I'd like for you to comment on the fact that this actually creates internal labour shortages, as Ms. Carr mentioned, which can lead to the need, over the long term, to contract out.
Although subcontracting isn't the issue here, by not recognizing these employees as public servants, won't we end up in a situation where we need to contract out?
I'd appreciate it if you could both answer the question.