Okay.
I want to bring this down a little bit. I think we've heard from both of our witnesses that communities can be dramatically affected if the oil and gas industry is developed.
Do you believe we can keep marginal or economically fragile refineries open or see the reopening of some refineries that have been closed—or expansion—through development in the oil and gas industry?
I'd put that to both of you, please. If that is the case, where, and can you give me examples?