If you permit me, I'll just answer complementary to the answer on the value-added.
There's no question about value-added. There would be things that are very niche-specific, like guitar tops or something like that, a very specific niche market that has a lot of value. But if you want to take a tree, there are all kinds of products in that tree. There are wood chips and there is lumber, and there's all kinds of value. The unfortunate part is that the bulk of the tree can't be used for something as specific as a guitar top, so how do you create value out of the whole tree? To do that, some of the businesses have to be very globally competitive, like pulp or paper for tissue, because we have global competition.
To me, if there's one thing we should keep focused on in Canada it's how we compete globally if we're going to have high-paying jobs that pay the taxes and support all the infrastructure we have. We don't talk about it enough at the provincial level; I don't think we talk about it enough at the federal level.
We'll have very good niche things and they are very important; we should develop those markets. But the bulk of the value and economic activity has to come out of things we have to be globally competitive on. At the end of the day, it's going to be about item and price, quality—very fundamental principles.
As far as the training goes, we don't have the answer to that. We just tell you what we see. We spend a lot of money on training. We partner with the community college on the hard trade skills: pipefitters, welders, those types of things. We have a shortage of skilled labour like a lot of places in Canada, but we can't get enough basic things like truck drivers, where the job is $40,000 to $50,000 a year. They are very difficult to get, even though we run about a $30-million line of credit.
You come in. You went to school. You got your truck driver's licence. The bank's not going to finance you because you don't have any credit, and so on. We'll go on the note for 25%, 50%, 75%, to make sure the individual can get the right piece of gear because we have to have the best gear. We have to be technology sophisticated and fuel efficient, and all of those other things. We'll do that, but we find it very disturbing that the individual can't go and get his EI funding while he's learning a new skill. We think that's contrary to being smart.
Industry should pay their share because otherwise we find the money gets squandered in programs that are not really good value.
There are different ways to come at it.