Evidence of meeting #78 for Natural Resources in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
A recording is available from Parliament.
October 23rd, 2023 / 12:30 p.m.
Conservative
Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB
The point of order I have is that at any moment, someone can challenge the order that you or the clerk has determined for the speaking arrangements for a motion, and then at that time, you are suggesting that we would be able to continue with—
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Conservative
Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB
Earlier, you guys were telling me to let someone speak. Let him speak.
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An hon. member
It's non-debatable.
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An hon. member
He's not debating.
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Conservative
Earl Dreeshen Conservative Red Deer—Mountain View, AB
—it is a point of order. Therefore, at any time, the will of the majority can take away the person you would recognize as being the first up on the motion. That, Chair, affects your ability to manage this committee.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
Yes. However, Mr. Dreeshen, committee members have the right to be heard and can, in my understanding, ask for that right as a committee member by taking the floor, as Monsieur Simard did. He has every right to ask for that right as a member of this committee, and it's his choice to do so. It's your choice and others' choice as well.
Mr. Angus, did you have a point of order?
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NDP
Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON
I'm ready. No, I think we need to vote, because I think what points of order are moving into is stalling. That undermines the principle of non-debatable motions, so we should be voting.
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Conservative
Shannon Stubbs Conservative Lakeland, AB
I know Charlie runs the committee, but I think the chair can get the advice from the clerk.
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Conservative
Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB
I think this committee has already determined whether or not it wanted to challenge your ruling on the speaking order. The people now raising that issue.... The issue wasn't whether I was going first, but whether we were challenging your ruling as to what the speaking order is.
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Liberal
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Conservative
Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB
My point of order is that we've already made that decision, and this member from the Bloc agreed with your decision, so there's no point challenging it any more.
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Conservative
Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB
No. It's procedure. This is a point of order.
The motion is challenging your ruling—
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Liberal
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An hon. member
We'll finish the first one, won't we?
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal George Chahal
I'll ask everybody to calm down a bit. We'll go one at a time. We can be disruptive or we can go through the process.
Mr. Aldag has a point of order on the point of order.
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Liberal
John Aldag Liberal Cloverdale—Langley City, BC
Can we get a ruling on whether Mr. Simard's challenge is in order? It seems like we're going around on this—
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Liberal
