Evidence of meeting #36 for Official Languages in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was statistics.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean-Paul Perreault  President, Impératif français
Ilze Epners  President, Quebec English Literacy Alliance
Roderick MacLeod  Director, Quebec Protestant Education Research Project
Guy Rodgers  Executive Director, English Language Arts Network
Jean-Rodrigue Paré  Committee Researcher

10:40 a.m.

President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

First, Ms. Boucher, it must be recognized that the action plan needs to be developed further, that a lot more resources should be added to it. I don't think the resources under the Dion Plan would allow for reparations. We're talking about considerable resources for correcting centuries of injustice toward Canada's French-speaking community.

If you look at the figures we've published, the comparison between mother tongues and spoken languages, the statistics we use to measure assimilation, you'll clearly see that, in the case of French in Canada, outside Quebec, it's the English language that... Francophones are “defrancized”. I don't think the Dion Plan can be considered a reparations plan.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

Mr. Perreault, I have to stop you because the time allotted to Ms. Boucher is up.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Yes.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

The last question will be asked by Mr. Godin. You have six minutes.

10:40 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Perreault, you say the Dion Plan won't really right the wrongs. However, Ms. Boucher said she is optimistic and that we're on the right track. And yet her government has just cut the Court Challenges Program.

Can you draw a parallel between those two elements?

10:40 a.m.

President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

Let's be clear on this: the Dion Plan will never be the reparations plan we're talking about. It's distinctly inadequate. We're talking about reparations for Francophones for centuries of injustice, injustice that continues, according to some of the evidence I've heard today. Don't consider the Dion Plan as providing for the reparations that we're seeking today. Believe me that will take a real language policy based on French, to end with a genuine plan to correct the injustices suffered by Francophones. That will take a very serious approach on our part.

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

I find it terrible, insulting and unacceptable that we're still talking about plans and building a school or gymnasium, when we have an Official Languages Act and it applies to both peoples.

10:45 a.m.

President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

You're right.

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

That's what you're saying.

10:45 a.m.

President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

How is it that the committee, whose mandate concerns official languages, is concerned by this situation 30 years after the Official Languages Act was passed? How is it that we are still dealing with a situation like the one we're describing? I believe you have some serious thinking to do about your mandate, and I invite you to do it because the results, when you consider the numbers, since we're talking about numbers and statistics here, clearly show that the last 30 years haven't produced the desired results in terms of numbers.

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Since we're talking about political will, I just want to make a comment. It's taken 25 years for the committee to travel within Canada and to go and see what's going on in the field. That means that the political will wasn't there, even to show that there was a problem. But there is a problem, and it's serious.

10:45 a.m.

President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

And for 30 years, the annual reports of the Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages have repeated, year after year, that the situation of Francophones is deteriorating, that the situation is dramatic. 85% of complaints filed with the Office come from Francophones, not Anglophones. It can be clearly seen that the Francophone community is in a difficult situation. And the Commissioner's office is in some way directly related to the Official Languages Committee.

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

In Montreal, for example, Francophone students who study French at the college level are forced to go to McGill University to consult books that they have to study in English.

10:45 a.m.

President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

Here at the University of Ottawa, students in third year or at the master's level will have to take their courses in English.

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

So it's simple. Your recommendations are clear: we have to stop beating around the bush and

the red tape, as you said. Put the money in and just go ahead. Right?

Thank you.

10:45 a.m.

President, Impératif français

Jean-Paul Perreault

Let's stop the disinformation.

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Thank you.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Le président Conservative Guy Lauzon

Thank you, Mr. Perreault. In fact, thanks to all the witnesses and all members. The meeting has been very interesting.

Next Tuesday, we'll be holding a one-hour meeting in camera, without witnesses, to discuss our future business. We intend to start studying the report on Thursday.

The meeting is adjourned.