Evidence of meeting #8 for Official Languages in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was advertising.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Roger Ouellette  President, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada
Serge Paquin  Secretary General, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada
Béatrice Lajoie  Chargee for National Development, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada

10:10 a.m.

Secretary General, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada

Serge Paquin

It has been proven — and the committee has said so — that it is more difficult to reach minority communities, namely French-speaking communities outside of Quebec. It is much more difficult to target them, to inform them of all the programs and services provided by the government.

With respect to the idea of equivalency, when a firm prepares a promotion campaign on television, for example an ad by the Department of Health, the firm is hired to do advertising for television, nothing more. In its planning, there is no talk about including newspapers, radio or other forms of media; it's television only, nothing more.

How many francophones outside Quebec have access to television and listen to programs in French? It's hard to know. So these people don't have that information.

So we are proposing that the firm be obligated to use most of its budget for its television campaign, but that it systematically ad, in each of its add campaigns, a small portion of its budget for placing ads in community newspapers and on community radio. Even by doing that, they will not end up with the same level of media coverage, but they will come closer to equivalency.

In this way, we will obtain a portion of the budget that will be justified and that will be used to inform people of whatever the government wants to inform them. A quarter on an eighth of a page will be purchased in a French-language newspaper and, for a week, a quarter of a page in the Globe and Mail. Anglophones will have seen the information five times; francophones, half a time. That is what we're talking about when we say equivalency: systematically including official language minority media in all campaigns.

10:15 a.m.

Chargee for National Development, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada

Béatrice Lajoie

That is by and large what Communication Canada had done with the $500,000 that was set aside. When there was a campaign, it would also run the campaign through you, to make sure that there was a bit more...

10:15 a.m.

Secretary General, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada

Serge Paquin

...visibility.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Steven Blaney Conservative Lévis—Bellechasse, QC

For you, the $500,000 was an effective way to increase the overall percentage of the federal government's envelope dedicated to advertising.

10:15 a.m.

Secretary General, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada

Serge Paquin

That's right. Those are all proposals aimed at helping us improve our situation.

10:15 a.m.

President, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada

Roger Ouellette

If you want to put a percentage in the document, that's not a problem.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

I received requests from some committee members for a fourth round of two minutes. Is that acceptable to all members?

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Thirty seconds will be enough for me. I simply want to know whether satellite radio has an impact on you or whether you foresee one.

10:15 a.m.

Secretary General, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada

Serge Paquin

A very small impact. We are local stations. The stations are very grounded in their communities. They've been successful because they meet a real need for local information. The impact until now has been minimal. It's important to understand that satellite radio may draw listeners away, but not money, because those radios do not sell advertising.

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Raymond Simard Liberal Saint Boniface, MB

I also have a last question to ask. Most of the community radio stations that I know are in the west. There's always talk of instability. It's unbelievable: we don't know whether they are going to continue to run from one year to the next. The 5.4 per cent solution, in the case of a year where only half of the funds have been advanced, still creates instability.

It seems to me that a combination of a basic fund, $500,000 for example, plus the percentage that you are suggesting, may perhaps be a solution to the problem. Where I come from, every year the survival of the community radio and other forms of media is called into question. So I would recommend a basic fund so that you know that you can survive, and then that we base ourselves on a percentage to ensure not only the development but the survival of community radio stations.

10:15 a.m.

President, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada

Roger Ouellette

Precisely. That's another part of the solution. In my view, we need to have a number of parts to the solution.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Pierre Lemieux Conservative Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

You made a presentation to the CRTC on funding for community radio. What was its reaction?

10:15 a.m.

President, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada

Roger Ouellette

I went to the CRTC a few times. When we go there, we are asked questions such as the ones that you asked us this morning. So I find it interesting. It's usually a good sign. If they don't ask us questions, it's a bad sign. So we were asked a lot of questions for roughly 40 minutes.

What's even more interesting is that before our appearance, the commissioners asked a lot of questions to other stakeholders about our case, including private broadcasters. In my view, this is even more interesting because it means that the commissioners thoroughly read through our arguments and that they wanted to hear the opinion of other stakeholders with respect to our request.

We do not know what the CRTC will decide, but we found it encouraging that CRTC representatives put questions to other stakeholders about our initiative and that we were asked a lot of questions as well.

However, it's an independent organization, as you know. We expect a reply in January 2007. We are cautiously optimistic, but we are not putting all our eggs in the same basket. That is why we are here this morning to discuss other initiatives.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

Ms. Barbot.

10:20 a.m.

Bloc

Vivian Barbot Bloc Papineau, QC

What type of integration do you have in the school network?

10:20 a.m.

President, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada

Roger Ouellette

I'm going to give you some very concrete examples. A number of our community radio stations are located in community centres or schools. For example, a new radio station has just opened in Saint-Jean. The station is located in the school. The studios are on the inside, an antenna on the outside. It is the same at the community centre in Fredericton. So, there is a connection.

Our community radio stations in New Brunswick, where I'm from, have reached an agreement with the schools in order to create radio stations for students in the schools. In our opinion, this is a solid foundation for recruiting future volunteers for community radio. So, we are working together. We think that this is extremely important, particularly in minority-language regions, to have very close structural ties between community radio projects, on air-community radio stations and schools and communities. We believe this is an intrinsic part of the whole.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

Thank you.

I want to take this opportunity to ask you a question as committee chair.

The community radio station in my riding is experiencing great difficulties. I heard this morning that there is a community radio station in New Brunswick with 18 employees.

If you obtain additional funding, where will you spend it: on stations such as the one in my region, or improving the larger stations?

10:20 a.m.

Secretary General, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada

Serge Paquin

We are working on behalf of all the members of our alliance. Obviously, if our efforts today and our future efforts bear fruit, all radio stations will benefit. Ideally, those most in need would benefit, but we have to be responsible when purchasing advertising with rate cards. We can't say that we're going to increase the rate for a small radio station experiencing difficulties.

Four programs are being proposed. However, with regard to the funding, for example, it is clear that preference will be given to the neediest. The stations that are better off, with 18 employees and sales of $1.8 million, will probably have very limited access to this fund. That is why we want to create the fund: to develop the small stations and improve on their weaknesses. Here, we're talking about advertising placement. These stations will benefit, obviously it is the rates that are at issue; we don't have a choice.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

Thank you for your answer, and I want to thank all the witnesses for appearing before the committee this morning.

I also want to thank the committee members.

The meeting is suspended for a short two-minute break.

10:28 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

We have a notice of motion from Ms. Barbot.

Ms. Barbot, do you want to read your motion?

10:28 a.m.

Bloc

Vivian Barbot Bloc Papineau, QC

The motion reads as follows:

That the Standing Committee on Official Languages give an official apology to His Excellency Mr. Abdou Diouf, about the treatment which he received upon his arrival in Canada and that the Committee report to the House recommending that the Government do the same.

10:28 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Guy Lauzon

Are there any questions or comments?

Mr. Harvey.

10:28 a.m.

Conservative

Luc Harvey Conservative Louis-Hébert, QC

Ms. Barbot, my wife is originally from the Caribbean, as are you.

10:28 a.m.

Bloc

Vivian Barbot Bloc Papineau, QC

I am delighted to hear that.

10:28 a.m.

Conservative

Luc Harvey Conservative Louis-Hébert, QC

If there was any doubt in my mind that this was a racist gesture or something negative toward Mr. Diouf—