Evidence of meeting #23 for Official Languages in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was yukon.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Régis St-Pierre  Acting Director General, Association franco-yukonnaise
Marlynn Bourque  Director, Education Sector, Association franco-yukonnaise

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Good morning everyone and welcome to this 23rd meeting of the Standing Committee on Official Languages. This is our second meeting pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) on the Canada-communities agreements, which are known as the collaboration accords as well.

Just before we begin, I would like to inform you that next Tuesday, April 8, Mr. Bernard Lord will be with us. He has accepted our invitation to come and tell us about his recommendations on the new Action Plan for Official Languages. Mr. Godin has tabled a motion in this regard.

Mr. Godin.

9:05 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

All House of Commons committees would like to have their proceedings televised. We do not want to work in the dark, we want all Canadians to see what Parliament is doing. As we know, it is not possible to televise committees in every meeting room. In the past, I remember that 90% of one committee's meetings were televised—and that was the Standing Committee on Official Languages. We even had to make an exception to the rule for our meetings not to be televised.

Given the importance of the Action Plan for Official Languages, the importance accorded by the government to a consultant hired to study the action plan, who's now agreed to come to the meeting next Tuesday, April 8, I think it is important that this meeting be televised. It would make it possible for us to have a genuine public debate and would allow people to follow our proceedings. For this reason, Mr. Chair, I am pleased to move this motion that our meeting be televised.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Mr. Godin.

If there are no other comments, we will move to the vote.

(Motion agreed to)

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

We will go now to our witnesses. This morning, it is our pleasure to have with us representatives from the Association franco-yukonnaise. They are Mr. St. Pierre, the Executive Director, and Ms. Marlynn Bourque.

Welcome to the southern part of the country. You have brought with you the spring sunshine and wind that we have been waiting for for so long. Our usual procedure is to give you about 10 minutes to make your presentation, which is followed by a question period. As I was saying, we were expecting other associations to be here today. Since you were able to respond to our request quickly, you are our main event today, and we are very pleased to have you here. Without further ado, I will turn the floor over to you.

9:05 a.m.

Régis St-Pierre Acting Director General, Association franco-yukonnaise

Thank you for your warm welcome. I will let the board representative, Ms. Bourque, begin, and I will continue later.

9:05 a.m.

Marlynn Bourque Director, Education Sector, Association franco-yukonnaise

Thank you for inviting us to appear before you. I am very honoured to represent the francophone community generally in our country. And I am particularly happy to represent my wonderful community in the Yukon. We are a growing, dynamic community.

Our place in the larger community is undeniably very important and well-recognized. In the Yukon, there is a favourable perception of francophones and they are encouraged. In recent years, an official francophone community day has been set aside. On May 15, we celebrate the francophone community in Yukon. This special event is an indication of how welcome we feel in our territory. We have proven that we are growing all the time.

Moreover, over the past 35 years, the French-speaking population has doubled. More and more anglophones are learning our language. We see that in the immersion programs for young people. There are courses given in French in the territory. Territorial government employees and other people living in the Yukon frequently learn French. The community appreciate that very much. We regularly have a good turnout for our activities, including many anglophones.

I am proud to say that we offer many activities on a regular basis and that we are firmly established. Of course, we appreciate the government's support, because without it, we will have a difficult time continuing to build on our foundation. I will turn the floor over to my colleague, Mr. St. Pierre, who will provide you with the details. Personally, I have only been a member of the board of directors since November. However, I have been in the Yukon for 21 years. My children grew up in French and are completely bilingual, and I am proud of that as well. I hope that future generations will be able to grow up in French, because francophones have been a very visible presence in the Yukon from the beginning. Francophones opened up routes in the Yukon from the earliest days of our settlement there. Their descendants did not stay, so we are currently working on increasing the number of francophones currently living in the Yukon. We are quite an outstanding example in this country.

We hear some things from the outside, but in our community, we see the great success we have achieved. I am very proud to continue living as a francophone, because my roots are in Quebec, where I grew up. I am also very proud to live as a francophone at the other end of this country, to take part in all sorts of wonderful activities, and to have my children attend a French-language school. This flexibility makes all the difference in our lives.

I would like to thank you for supporting our development and to invite you to come and see for yourself what is going on in the Yukon, if you have an opportunity to do so.

I will turn the floor over to Mr. St-Pierre, who has some more technical details for you. Once again, I would like to thank you for your invitation.

9:10 a.m.

Acting Director General, Association franco-yukonnaise

Régis St-Pierre

We have prepared a chart. It is hot off the press, because I have just finished it. It illustrates data that are essential for you, because the federal government is our most important partner. We could simply explain this in words, but we have prepared charts that the clerk will distribute to you shortly.

First of all, it is wonderful to be here in Ottawa. The Yukon is the most western part of Canada. It is situated 200 km west of Vancouver, and is the most remote and most northern point, but we care very much about French language and culture. I have attended Acadian celebrations because many members of my family, the Landrys, are Acadian. Moreover, the celebrations for Quebec City's 400th anniversary took place this year.

My son is part of the first Franco-Yukon generation that is now transmitting its language. We were completely assimilated. What does Dawson City mean, or the gold rush or the Klondike? Dawson City was founded by Joseph Ladue, a francophone. The first school in the north was a French-language school. During the very first elections, before the Yukon even existed—the Yukon was founded following the gold rush—there were francophones there. French language and culture existed even before the Yukon itself did because the first nations, the Métis people and francophones worked together.

Unfortunately, there were no francophone institutions there until the mid-1980s. This means that, in the Yukon, there was neither a French-language school, nor a French-language organization that could speak for francophones, nor any services in French. Thanks to the federal government, the government of the territory and the people of the Yukon, which took the initiative without going to court even once, we succeeded through dialogue in establishing institutions because of the work done by pioneers and people who were—as you are—Canadian parliamentarians.

The results have been significant. The assimilation rate is dropping constantly. In the Yukon, there are more people speaking French at home than there are francophones. You might well wonder how that could be. According to Statistics Canada, my children are not francophones because my spouse is an anglophone. The first language they learned and understood at home with their mother was English.

This may be a paradox, but it is the kind of paradox that most francophones here experience. In our French-language school, 78% of young francophones are from mixed families. What is a mixed family? You saw the statistics yesterday. More and more people are marrying someone of a different culture, or of a different race. This is not unusual in the Yukon. The result is that the number of people speaking French is constantly growing. In the Yukon, over 3,600 people speak French. That is almost 12% of the entire Yukon population, and 20% of its young people. When we say that French language and culture are alive and well here, those are not just words, but the absolute truth. We have seen how it is growing. We are now talking about agreements between the Canadian government and the community. The first francophones came together in the Yukon in the 1980s, with the federal legislation that was developed and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It did not happen on its own—we need your ongoing support.

Are Canada-community agreements important? Is there any way of improving them? Absolutely. They are very important. Without federal government support, without the work that you do here... I am saying much the same as a member of your committee did—not everyone watches television, and even fewer people watch all programs, but in the Yukon we often watch parliamentary debates.

We had the opportunity of meeting Bernard Lord, who chaired the hearings on renewal of the action plan. I went to Vancouver. I was very happy to receive the government's invitation. This came about after the meeting we had with Minister Verner in spring. We are looking forward to see what the government puts on the table, because all this takes a great deal of energy. Our community is small, and we have to put in a great deal of work whenever there are hearings or consultations like these.

On that issue, I read in the press releases that we had invested—and when we invest, we want to know whether we will have a return on our investment.

When I look at my RRSP funds, I wonder whether they have gained in value. The results are significant—the anglophone community is increasingly bilingual, the francophone community is increasingly numerous, and the assimilation rate is dropping. In my view, when people instituted programs like the collaboration accords, the goal was to ensure that communities would flourish and gain in visibility. Those achievements were not arrived at only through our work, but also through the work of our partners.

Of course, these are not things we can achieve without funding. We hope that the agreements will be renewed and the funding increased. In Yukon, we have full employment. We are undergoing what's being called the boom in the west. We often talk about it. Last year, for the first time in Canada's history, we had the opportunity of welcoming the Canada Games at Whitehorse in the Yukon. It's said that the games were the most bilingual in Canada's history. Just imagine—this was in the most northern and most western part of the country, the region furthest away from the cradle of French language and culture on the continent.

So in answer to the question about whether our work is generating results, I would answer yes. To the question asking whether we could do more, I would also answer yes. To the question on whether my children and grandchildren will be able to live and grow up speaking French in the Yukon, I can only hope that the answer will be yes.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Mr. St-Pierre.

Earlier, I said that you had brought the spring with you, and now I think you have also brought some warmth to our committee. Your remarks have been very interesting. I would myself add on the subject of the Klondike that my grandmother's father, Mr. Cout, brought back a few gold nuggets to his small town, Saint-Narcisse, and those helped him establish the local economy. That is another page of history.

Now, we will come back to official languages and begin our first round with Mr. Jean-Claude D'Amours.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Jean-Claude D'Amours Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

First of all, I would like thank you for having traveled here to meet the committee. It is very important for us to hear what you have to say. You have touched on a number of issues, but money and services are really at the root of it all. Of course we need will, but in spite of everyone's best efforts, we cannot get very far without financial support.

We have been talking about agreements, programs, the Action Plan on Official Languages, and problems receiving services in one's own language. The francophone community might be growing, but does it need to fight to exercise its rights, or does everything happen smoothly? Do you have to fight to obtain services in French, or can you obtain them without any difficulty?

9:20 a.m.

Director, Education Sector, Association franco-yukonnaise

Marlynn Bourque

No, we do need to make the effort.

9:20 a.m.

Acting Director General, Association franco-yukonnaise

Régis St-Pierre

There are always challenges. There is no guarantee, but with more funding we generally manage to do more. I will give you a very specific example that will illustrate your question very well. The last round of negotiations for the agreements began in 2004. Consultations were held with a view to concluding the agreements for 2005-2006, 2006-2007, 2007 -2008 and 2008-2009. Those agreements were renewed. So in March 2009, I will receive the same funding that was agreed on in 2004.

So everybody has to keep on going with the same funding we were receiving in 2004. With that funding, I have to pay my employees, travel, and so on. At the time, in 2003-2004, heating oil cost 57¢ a litre. The last bill I received showed that it now costs $1.02 a litre. Yet I am not receiving more money to help me pay those bills, so I have to cut elsewhere, something that is becoming more and more difficult. However, everyone is facing the same problems.

My spouse works for the Yukon government. Over the same period, her salary was increased six times. In the Yukon, I don't know many private-sector employees who have received no pay increases. In fact, it's the opposite—we have full employment, almost no unemployment, except the structural unemployment among those who cannot work in the winter, for example. There is an unprecedented economic boom in the west. We had the Canada Games in 2007, and the Olympic Games are coming up. Alberta has an oil boom. We have difficulty keeping and recruiting employees. All that to say that it is difficult to keep going today with the same funding we were receiving in 2004.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Jean-Claude D'Amours Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

So you are having more and more difficulty operating—you illustrated that very well with an example—but oil is not the only issue. The cost of living is going up in general, and people want more, otherwise it becomes difficult to keep employees because they can go elsewhere. Are you finding day-to-day management difficult, without knowing whether you'll get the assistance tomorrow, or how much you'll get? Don't agreements that are renewed on an annual basis make long-term planning impossible?

I also want to talk about education. Do you have any problems there? Can you say that there are no problems and the school is in place because there is a need for it, or do you keep having to push for your rights? Are things easy for you? From the remarks you made at the beginning of the meeting, everything seems to be going well, but are there any problems on the ground? If you need a bigger school or additional services, is government assistance easy to obtain?

9:25 a.m.

Director, Education Sector, Association franco-yukonnaise

Marlynn Bourque

I'll give a brief answer to your question on education. There is no doubt that we are growing. Our French-language school is marvellous, but the number of young people is going up. The same school also houses a high school, and in two years there won't be enough space for all the young people there. We will have to expand the school. The challenge is also to keep secondary-school students. Our community has a very good integrated education program. In order to continue the program, we clearly need support because we will be needing new teachers.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Jean-Claude D'Amours Liberal Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

You say that you will have to expand the school in two years. Do you have any guarantees that you will have the money you will need to do it?

9:25 a.m.

Acting Director General, Association franco-yukonnaise

Régis St-Pierre

There were two aspects to your question. As for the first one, we clearly recommend that the federal government renew the agreements on a multi-year basis in the future. We would also like reporting to be done on a multi-year basis. If we were to sign a four-year agreement, we would not have to redo all of the same procedures, administrative work, reports, and so on, every year. Otherwise, our only advantage would be having a guarantee that we would have the same amount of money in four years. That is the effect that these multi-year agreements have had over the past four years. Our only guarantee was to have the same amount of money in 2008 as in 2004. Therefore, we are fine with the multi-year agreement, provided that it includes an increase in keeping with inflation or another mechanism that officials could put in place.

As regards education, I am the former president of the Commission scolaire francophone du Yukon, the only one, and I sat on the committee that was struck to build the school in 1995. We had been fighting for that school since the 1980s. The school projects the image of a beautiful castle, but that does not mean that it wasn't built without a lot of hard work.

When the only francophone school in the Yukon was built, the federal government paid two-thirds of the cost, although education is a provincial and territorial jurisdiction. Building this school did not cost the Yukon government very much. Two schools were built at the same time. The francophone school cost $8 million, and the anglophone school, $9 million. The Yukon paid for the anglophone school in its entirety and for approximately one-third of the francophone school.

We need to expand it, because at the time, in the 1980s, there were only 26 young people. At the time, people said there were no francophones in the Yukon.

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Mr. St-Pierre. You may continue later.

We will now go to the Bloc Québécois and Mr. Gravel.

9:25 a.m.

Bloc

Raymond Gravel Bloc Repentigny, QC

Thank you for coming. I am relatively new to this committee. Moreover, I don't know anything about the Yukon. What is the population?

9:25 a.m.

Acting Director General, Association franco-yukonnaise

Régis St-Pierre

It is approximately 31,800 people. You can round it up to 32,000 people.

9:25 a.m.

Bloc

Raymond Gravel Bloc Repentigny, QC

Earlier, you said that there were currently 3,600 francophones.

9:25 a.m.

Acting Director General, Association franco-yukonnaise

Régis St-Pierre

Statistics Canada provides four definitions of "francophone". As I said, according to Statistics Canada, my children are not francophone. There are 3,600 people in the Yukon who speak French. Pure francophones who do not have multi-cultural families make up approximately 4% of the population, which is equal to 1,300 people. That is the only population whose number and relative weight in comparison with the general population has increased. So, our percentage continues to increase, as do our numbers.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Raymond Gravel Bloc Repentigny, QC

You said earlier that Mr. Joseph Ladue founded the Yukon. Was he a francophone?

9:30 a.m.

Acting Director General, Association franco-yukonnaise

Régis St-Pierre

Joseph Ladue was a francophone who had a rather interesting background. He was a Franco-American.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Raymond Gravel Bloc Repentigny, QC

How did the francophones who settled there become anglophones?

9:30 a.m.

Acting Director General, Association franco-yukonnaise

Régis St-Pierre

Historians have difficulty explaining it. I was not there at the time, but—

9:30 a.m.

Liberal

Denis Coderre Liberal Bourassa, QC

You were too young at the time.