Evidence of meeting #39 for Official Languages in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was bilingual.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Simon Coakeley  Executive Director, Office of the Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada
Diane Lacelle  Director General, Human Resources and Professional Development Branch, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada
Sylvia Cox-Duquette  Senior General Counsel, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada
Serge Gascon  Director General, Corporate Planning and Services Branch, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

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Executive Director, Office of the Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Simon Coakeley

Again, I'm aware of the particular case. The language profile of the position was downgraded to give the individual a job because he or she—again, I'm not sure whether it was a man or a woman—had quit their previous job on the basis that we had made them a job offer.

No, that should not happen. That said, I think all public service managers who've run competitions over the course of their careers have faced situations where they've posted a position with a particular linguistic profile and it's proven to be unsuccessful--i.e., nobody who meets the linguistic profile also meets all of the other merit criteria.

As managers we face that all the time, and sometimes what we have to do as managers is step back and have a look at the language profile. Sometimes we adjust it, ensuring that we can provide the level of language service in some other way.

In a circumstance like that, though, what we are also obliged to do is to re-post the position and re-run the competition from scratch, not just take the one person.

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Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

[Inaudible--Editor]...downgraded.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Mr. Lauzon.

We will conclude with Mr. Godin.

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

How many members are able to hear cases in French?

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Executive Director, Office of the Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Simon Coakeley

There are 40 bilingual people and seven francophones at the Refugee Protection Division. So there are 47 people who are able to hear cases in French. In the Immigration Appeal Division, we have eight bilingual people…

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Excuse me; how many?

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Executive Director, Office of the Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Simon Coakeley

Eight, in the Immigration Appeal Division.

In the Immigration Division, we have 11 bilingual people right now. I don't have the breakdown of francophones, anglophones and bilingual people. But the bilingual people are able to hear…

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Where is the central regional office?

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Executive Director, Office of the Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Simon Coakeley

In Toronto.

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Based on the information I have, that means that, in Toronto, there are six bilingual employees and 69 anglophones.

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Executive Director, Office of the Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Simon Coakeley

In the Refugee Protection Division, yes.

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

And what about the other section, the IAD?

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Executive Director, Office of the Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Simon Coakeley

It's the Montreal office…

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

No, I'm talking about…

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Executive Director, Office of the Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Simon Coakeley

Sorry, the IAD is the Immigration Appeal Division.

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

There are 18 people at the Immigration Appeal Division and none of them is bilingual.

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Executive Director, Office of the Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Simon Coakeley

That's right, but at the moment…

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

How can people receive services in French if no one is bilingual and everyone is anglophone?

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Executive Director, Office of the Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Simon Coakeley

As I said in my introduction, in those situations, we ask a bilingual employee to go from Vancouver or Montreal to Toronto, or we hold the hearing by videoconference.

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

But when you recruit your members, don't you request bilingual members?

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Executive Director, Office of the Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Simon Coakeley

These members are appointed by the Governor in Council. Yes, we indicate…

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

So, it's impossible to find bilingual members in Toronto out of the 11 million people in Ontario?

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Executive Director, Office of the Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Simon Coakeley

Yes, but they aren't all in Toronto, unfortunately.

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

I'm not in Toronto. I'm in New Brunswick, and I'm in Ottawa, today.

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Executive Director, Office of the Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Simon Coakeley

I know, but our members need to stay in Toronto.