Evidence of meeting #104 for Public Accounts in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was accenture.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Karen Hogan  Auditor General of Canada, Office of the Auditor General
Mairead Lavery  President and Chief Executive Officer, Export Development Canada
David Bhamjee  Vice-President and Chief Strategy and Engagement Officer, Development Finance Institute Canada Inc.
Monia Lahaie  Assistant Comptroller General, Financial Management Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat
Diane Peressini  Former Executive Director, Government Accounting Policy and Reporting, Treasury Board Secretariat
Blair Kennedy  Senior Director, Government Accounting Policy and Reporting, Treasury Board Secretariat
Evelyn Dancey  Assistant Deputy Minister, Fiscal Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Lori Kerr  Chief Executive Officer, Development Finance Institute Canada Inc.
Mark Weber  National President, Customs and Immigration Union

4:45 p.m.

Auditor General of Canada, Office of the Auditor General

Karen Hogan

Mr. Chair, excuse me.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Ms. Hogan, the floor is yours.

4:45 p.m.

Auditor General of Canada, Office of the Auditor General

Karen Hogan

We have already started an audit on this program, and we hope to release it in November. However, there may be delays if we have to wait for information from financial institutions.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

There you go.

Things move fast around here.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Mr. Masse, you have the floor.

4:45 p.m.

Bloc

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné Bloc Terrebonne, QC

The motion is on the floor.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

I understand, Ms. Sinclair-Desgagné.

Did you move the motion or did you put it on notice?

Pardon me. I understood you were putting it on notice, but I could be wrong on that.

4:45 p.m.

Bloc

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné Bloc Terrebonne, QC

I am introducing the motion right now.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Okay.

One moment, please.

I was just double-checking.

We have a motion that has been moved. It's relevant to the business at hand.

Yes, Mrs. Shanahan.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

I think everyone would like to see the motion.

4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné Bloc Terrebonne, QC

We're kind, we provide the translation.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Thank you very much.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

This is quite interesting. The Auditor General has already started an audit, as she just told us. So I don't understand why my colleague wants to go further with her motion. I think we should see the motion, and we can deal with it right away.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

We haven't received the motion yet.

I think another member wants to speak to that.

Mr. May, if you would like to speak to that, go ahead.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bryan May Liberal Cambridge, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I did have my hand up, but MP Shanahan basically stole my thunder, to a certain extent. I would have liked to hear the motion again with its specifics.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Ms. Sinclair-Desgagné, could you repeat your motion in French, please?

If you don't have your earpieces in, please put them in.

4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné Bloc Terrebonne, QC

That the committee request the Auditor General to conduct an audit of the management of CEBA, including the roles and responsibilities of suppliers.

I think the second part is very important. Today, it has more to do with value for money spent on the services provided by the suppliers.

Madam Auditor General, I would like to focus on that second aspect.

Yes, managing the program is one thing, but did taxpayers get their money's worth?

That's really what I would like to focus on, and that's why I am maintaining the motion.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

We have received the motion. We're going to send it around.

Ms. Yip, go ahead.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Jean Yip Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Could we suspend and have a look at that?

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

It hasn't been sent. I'm going to propose a way forward here. This is more for Madam Sinclair-Desgagné.

Is this something you would like to debate now? Given that there is an audit coming and given that the Auditor General is right here and has heard it—not to say that the committee has spoken on it—is this something we could pick up again after the recess, or do you feel that it's pressing and should be dealt with now?

4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné Bloc Terrebonne, QC

I think it's important that we finish the—

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

We could pick up this motion on Tuesday, March 19.

We haven't set a schedule because we have the Auditor General that morning.

4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné Bloc Terrebonne, QC

Can we suspend for a few moments?

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Williamson

Sure.

Yes, we'll suspend for a minute.

I'm going to ask the witnesses to hold on a bit. I appreciate your patience.

I'm sorry, Mr. Masse. Do you have your hand up to speak to this?

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

It's not on this, Mr. Chair. I'm just hoping I can get my two minutes in real quick.