Public Safety Committee on Aug. 10th, 2010

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

But I'm making a point of order, Mr. Chairman.

[The Acting Chair, Conservative, Phil McColeman]

You didn't start with a point of order.

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

I'm making a point of order.

[The Acting Chair, Conservative, Phil McColeman]

Well, you can make a point of order after Mr. Jean has made his point of order.

Mr. Jean.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I am curious, Mr. Chair; in past meetings, public safety has asked, and Mr. Holland in particular has asked, to study things like aviation security, CATSA, passenger protect: it's a matter of record. It was clearly indicated in the past that this committee wanted to study things to do with aviation security because they wanted to deal with it, I think, on a micro basis.

Transport Canada, as Mr. Volpe has said—

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

A point of order: a point of order on the point of order.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

—is studying aviation security.

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

What's the point of order?

[The Acting Chair, Conservative, Phil McColeman]

I'll ask Mr. Jean to make his point of order instead of a speech.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

I will make my point of order, thank you. I don't like speeches at the best of times, as you know, Mr. Chair. But I will say that we all know his game now. He didn't want to take the chair, even though—

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

What's the point of order, Mr. Chair?

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

—in Marleau and Montpetit it clearly indicates that he's supposed to take the chair. He didn't want to take the chair--

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

What's the point of order?

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

--so that he could change the agenda of the meeting that we all travelled here to take.

[The Acting Chair, Conservative, Phil McColeman]

Mr. Jean, make your point of order.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

This is a very important issue for Canadians. We're here today to deal with it. I would suggest that we need to deal with it. It's an issue that is...quite frankly, I think Canadians are standing up and want to deal with it. I don't understand why we would have this meeting today and not do so.

[The Acting Chair, Conservative, Phil McColeman]

Mr. Jean, that's what I've expressed to Mr. Holland.

Mr. Holland, your point of order now.

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

If I could--and I have a real point of order.

[The Acting Chair, Conservative, Phil McColeman]

Are you making a point of order?

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

Absolutely.

[The Acting Chair, Conservative, Phil McColeman]

Okay.

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

Mr. Chair, with respect, we have voted as to the admissibility of dealing with this issue. The committee has said it rightfully belongs at transport, where they're already conducting a study on this matter. They're in the middle of it. So there is no longer that item before us.

My point is that the committee's next step would be to continue the matter that it was last dealing with. So it would be a continuation of the committee's former business.

[The Acting Chair, Conservative, Phil McColeman]

Excuse me, no--

[Mark Holland, Liberal, Ajax—Pickering, ON]

That would be my understanding of the rules.

We no longer have the item that Mr. Jean is debating. I would welcome an opportunity to debate--but I know I can't in a point of order--the points that he made. My point is that we are no longer dealing with that item. The committee has ruled it out of order, and therefore it is now time to proceed to the business that the committee was previously undertaking.

[An hon. member]

Since we're here already.