Evidence of meeting #29 for Public Safety and National Security in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was offender.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Claudette Deschênes  Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Caroline Melis  Director General, Operational Management and Coordination, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Robert Aloisio  Director of Business Development, SafeTracks GPS Solutions Inc.
James Clover  Project Manager, Electronic Operations, Behavioural Assessment Unit, Edmonton Police Service

4:20 p.m.

Robert Aloisio Director of Business Development, SafeTracks GPS Solutions Inc.

Absolutely. This is Robert Aloisio, as you mentioned. I am the director of business development with SafeTracks GPS.

I would like to thank the committee for giving me the opportunity to discuss electronic monitoring. I've been working with GPS, telematics, ABL equipment, and cellular devices for over a decade. So I have quite a vast background when it comes to the technology.

We started SafeTracks GPS over three years ago, and basically our mandate, with SafeTracks GPS, was to bring a true electronic monitoring product to Canada. What we were able to do was basically elevate things on a few different levels. I'm going to touch base on these briefly and then we can address these during the question and answer period.

The big thing that we wanted to do was hardware. I'm just going to hold up a couple of different devices. This is a traditional device that we still do use. This has been used for about three or four years, basically worldwide. We are fortunate enough to take another device—it might be a little hard for you to see here—

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Can I just interrupt you for one moment?

4:20 p.m.

Director of Business Development, SafeTracks GPS Solutions Inc.

Robert Aloisio

Yes, absolutely.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

When you hold the device up, rather than hold it in front of you, if you could hold it off to the side with the light in the background we can see it a little better.

Thank you.

4:20 p.m.

Director of Business Development, SafeTracks GPS Solutions Inc.

Robert Aloisio

Sure. It's not a problem.

You can see this is our premiere device that we use for electronic monitoring in Canada. I'm going to briefly touch on some of the technical aspects that make this beneficial.

The first thing you're going to notice is that we have a built-in, two-way voice speaker. So we can actually contact the offender. This is perfect for breach, battery recharge, whatever it is. We can actually three-way conference in a monitoring centre as well as a supervising officer directly to the device. We've also integrated a 95-decibel audio alert. This is a handy feature if you have an offender going into a no-go zone, an exclusion zone. We can actually initiate the siren.

The big thing with this is something I like to call the secure cuff. I'm sure it's a little hard for you to see, but the secure cuff is a titanium reinforced band that actually attaches to the offender's leg. Inside there's a piece of what's called fibre optics, and if the offender does attempt to tamper or remove this, of course, we're going to get an alarm instantaneously at our monitoring centre. The thing with the titanium reinforced cuff is that it's very difficult to get off. I'm not going to say it's not removable, but it does basically obstruct the removal by the offender. So one big part is the hardware.

The other thing I wanted to actually mention to you is the software. Of course, there's another portion of electronic monitoring: the software is actually what the device reports to. We went out and we sourced out the best software we could find. Just so the committee is aware, we've actually moved it into Canada. So we have complete servers, data storage, and everything, 100%, in Canada. It is a completely self-contained system. So we're operating specifically for Canada here.

We also did incorporate a monitoring centre. Now, with this technology you're going to realize there are breaches, there are battery recharges, there are alerts that are going to come through. We've secured a 100% Canadian 911 response centre to deal with these types of alarms. So when you bulk up our solution, it's completely end to end built for Canada.

That's essentially what SafeTracks has come to discuss today.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you very much.

Mr. Clover, did you have an opening statement, or are you just here for the questions?

4:20 p.m.

Detective James Clover Project Manager, Electronic Operations, Behavioural Assessment Unit, Edmonton Police Service

Yes, sir, if the committee has no issues....

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Please.

4:20 p.m.

Det James Clover

I am a detective with the Edmonton Police Service and have been for almost 15 years. My current assignment is with the behavioural assessment unit. Our primary task is monitoring and assessing high-risk offenders who live in the city of Edmonton. The bulk of the offenders whom my team supervises are what we call 810 recognizance offenders. These are generally offenders who have served a federal sentence, weren't provided parole as a result of the risk they posed to the community, served their entire sentence, and weren't afforded a gradual and protected release into the community. My unit gets involved by appearing in front of a court and getting conditions to supervise.

We were successful in obtaining funds through the Alberta Ministry of Justice and Attorney General for a three-year pilot project to leverage this technology to help complement our supervision. I would encourage the committee, if they haven't done so already, to research what Alberta is doing regarding that research through the University of Calgary, the Calgary Police Service, the RCMP through Red Deer, and the Edmonton Police Service.

Since approximately September of 2010 we've had an opportunity to use this technology only ten times. This is a police perspective on providing the committee...the user group is policing. Generally, my offenders whom I've been using this technology on are sexual-based offenders. We operate in the context that EM provides a proactive monitoring compliance of offenders on judicial conditions. We can assess risk through lifestyle patterns. It's a motivator and a stimulant for offenders to comply with and follow the conditions and lifestyles we're trying to encourage. We are trying to prove and disprove offenders' involvement in current investigations. We're trying to show that the Edmonton Police Service and law enforcement in general is making the best effort we can to help supervise an offender, assist him in transitioning to the community, and maintain public safety.

When I consider when to use these devices, I think it's important to look at things like the index offence—what has the offender been convicted of—and geographical restrictions. We look at victimology, stranger versus familiar victims. We look at curfew conditions. Are the conditions of a curfew present? We look at residency conditions. Is the behaviour we are trying to monitor or manage predatory in nature? Is there a history of recidivism? Is there a history of flight risk? Does this offender wilfully distance himself from supervision from, let's say, CSC or the Edmonton Police Service? Does the offender face jeopardy on their next offence, maybe a long-term supervision or a dangerous offender? What's the history of the offender's management? What have we done in the past and what do we need to do now? Are we doing the same thing again and again, or do we need to change the way we're working with this offender to make this supervision work, both for the offender and the community?

The last thing I would like to share really quickly is the tenets that come out of this. I've developed a series of principles that my project has adopted, and I share these as often as I can, but again I want to highlight that these are perspectives from police, maybe not necessarily from immigration or from corrections, that EM GPS is not a replacement or substitute for incarceration, that electronic monitoring is a deprivation of a person's liberties, and as such we should be using it when it's lawful, appropriate, and in the most humane way possible.

Electronic monitoring is not a punitive measure but a complementary tool to provide the offender encouragement and compliance with supervisory conditions and to provide the case management team with a means of improved offender accountability. Electronic monitoring data should not be used as a sole source of evidence, if possible. Data should be used in collaboration with other conditions, management strategies, and investigatory techniques.

Electronic monitoring is not a replacement for traditional offender management and community supports. Electronic monitoring has limitations like all technologies and should be used to complement the supervision strategy specific to that offender. Reliance on electronic monitoring needs to be monitored closely.

Finally, electronic monitoring should not be considered a measure to reduce the workload of the case management team. EM GPS operations are an additional task that require additional capacity. EM operations can be structured in a manner, such as the use of third-party monitoring, to reduce the resources required to manage an offender on GPS, but the use of electronic monitoring is an additional responsibility for both the offender and the case management team.

I welcome any questions.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you both, one from the perspective of SafeTracks and the technological perspective, and the other from a law enforcement perspective. We appreciate both of those.

We'll go to our first question, which is from the government side, and not really from an Edmonton member of Parliament, but kind of—a St. Albert member of Parliament, Mr. Rathgeber, please.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

On a point of order, Mr. Chairman, you know I live in Edmonton.

Welcome to both of the witnesses.

Mr. Aloisio, I'm fascinated by your presentation, but I don't understand it particularly well. Can you tell me, first of all, the cost of that unit you held up? I don't want to know what you pay for it, but what does it retail for? Do you rent it to your client, or do you sell it to your client? How does this work?

4:25 p.m.

Director of Business Development, SafeTracks GPS Solutions Inc.

Robert Aloisio

That's a really good question.

I just want to make it very clear that SafeTracks is a solutions-based firm. What I mean is that something that might work for the Edmonton police might be a little bit different for a corrections environment, whatever it's going to be.

The device I have here we lease, all inclusive, per day. The lease includes the device. It includes the monitoring centre. There is an option for us to incorporate a different monitoring centre if we have to. Depending on the intervals—how much data we need to send back and forth, and so on—you're looking at about $15 to $22 a day all inclusive for the technology.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Do you run a monitoring centre or do you contract that out to somebody else?

4:30 p.m.

Director of Business Development, SafeTracks GPS Solutions Inc.

Robert Aloisio

We actually have a partner called Northern911. They are the largest E911 response centre in Canada. That means an electronic response—so anything that's voice over IP phone or cellular phones. We've actually integrated this platform directly into their 911 response. We did that because when we went to go source out a monitoring centre, we wanted to make sure when the alerts come through that the actual call-takers have the experience to deal with an emergency and of course to deploy law enforcement if needed.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Is Northern911 in Edmonton?

4:30 p.m.

Director of Business Development, SafeTracks GPS Solutions Inc.

Robert Aloisio

No, they're actually based out of Sudbury, Ontario.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Are there other monitoring centres in Canada? This is all news to me.

4:30 p.m.

Director of Business Development, SafeTracks GPS Solutions Inc.

Robert Aloisio

That's not a problem.

Actually the reason we chose to work with Northern911 is that they work at a national and actually at a North American level. So they're able to service everybody in Canada as well as the U.S. We went that way, so instead of having individual monitoring centres across Canada, we would have one group of specialists that work with different areas across Canada.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

So your company is based out of Edmonton?

4:30 p.m.

Director of Business Development, SafeTracks GPS Solutions Inc.

Robert Aloisio

We're actually based out of Red Deer, Alberta. I do work out of Edmonton as well.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Who are your clients? Are your clients the RCMP? Are your clients Corrections Canada? Are your clients Immigration and Citizenship? Who contracts for your services?

4:30 p.m.

Director of Business Development, SafeTracks GPS Solutions Inc.

Robert Aloisio

Currently we have a couple of active pilot projects going. I'm not sure if you're aware that the Province of Alberta has moved ahead with the actual pilot for electronic monitoring. We are working with the Edmonton Police Service at this time as well as with the Red Deer RCMP for domestic violence. We do have a lot more programs coming down the line, but those are the two concrete ones in Alberta that we're working with.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Inspector Clover—I'm not sure I wrote this down correctly—you indicated that you have 10 ongoing projects or you have 10 projects historically. Could you clarify that for me, with respect to electronic monitoring?

4:30 p.m.

Det James Clover

Since September 2010, we've had 10 opportunities to use this technology. That's 10 individuals. More than one of the 10 could be made up by the same offender. So an offender might be on the bracelet, go back to jail, and then come back out on the bracelet. That would be two occurrences.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

You're a police officer with EPS. I'm assuming that each one of those 10 involves an individual who is on some sort of judicial interim release. They haven't yet gone to trial.