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Evidence of meeting #1 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

The Clerk of the Committee Andrew Wilson

Honourable members of the committee, I see a quorum.

Pursuant to Standing Order 106(3)(a), as clerk of the committee I will preside over the election of the chair and the vice-chairs.

I must inform members that the clerk of the committee can only receive motions for the election of the chair. The clerk cannot receive other types of motions, entertain points of order or participate in debate.

We can now proceed to the election of the chair. Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the chair must be a member of the government party.

I'm ready to receive motions for the chair.

Mr. Ramsay.

Jacques Ramsay Liberal La Prairie—Atateken, QC

I nominate Jean‑Yves Duclos.

The Clerk

It has been moved by Mr. Ramsay that Mr. Duclos be elected as chair of the committee.

Are there any other motions? I see none.

(Motion agreed to)

I declare the motion carried and Jean-Yves Duclos duly elected chair of the committee.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

The Clerk

I now invite Mr. Duclos to take the chair.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you for placing your trust in me. I will work hard to be deserving of it. Obviously, I will work hard as a member of this team, because we are all on the same team, in a way, one that works to ensure the trust and well-being of the people who elected us.

Before we continue, I would ask you to consult the guidelines written on the cards on the table. These measures are in place to help prevent audio and feedback incidents, which can jeopardize the health and safety of all participants, including the interpreters.

The card contains a QR code that links to a short awareness video.

I will now ask the clerk to proceed with the election of the two vice-chairs.

The Clerk

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the first vice-chair must be a member of the official opposition.

I'm now prepared to receive motions for the first vice-chair.

Mr. Lloyd.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Parkland, AB

I nominate Frank Caputo.

The Clerk

It has been moved by Mr. Lloyd that Mr. Caputo be elected as the first vice-chair of the committee.

Are there any further motions? I see none.

(Motion agreed to)

I declare the motion carried and Mr. Caputo duly elected first vice-chair of the committee.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

The Clerk

Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the second vice-chair must be a member of an opposition party other than the official opposition.

I am now prepared to receive motions for the second vice-chair.

The floor is yours, Ms. Dandurand.

Marianne Dandurand Liberal Compton—Stanstead, QC

I nominate Claude DeBellefeuille.

The Clerk

It has been moved by Ms. Dandurand that Mrs. DeBellefeuille be elected as second vice-chair of the committee.

(Motion agreed to)

I declare the motion carried and Claude DeBellefeuille duly elected second vice-chair of the committee.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Congratulations on your election, Frank and Claude.

We're going to make a great mini-team.

Now that the vice-chairs have been elected, we will move to the routine motions for the committee. As we know, they enable us to work efficiently and rigorously. These were distributed by the clerk earlier this week.

Would someone like to move these routine motions?

Go ahead, Dane.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Parkland, AB

I'd like to move unanimous consent that we adopt all of the routine motions.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

I suppose these would be....

Go ahead, Madame DeBellefeuille.

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

I don't really agree. I think it's worth going through them. A number of new committee members have never been on a parliamentary committee, so I think going through the motions one at a time would be very useful for them. That will give them an understanding of the motions. I think it is important.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

All right.

Do you have any objections to my reading them? Would someone else like to read them? We'll find out how good my radio voice is. I will start. It's actually a good idea, since these are the rules that will guide and assist us in our work over the next few weeks and months, perhaps even years.

I will start with the motion dealing with analyst services.

I move:

That the committee retain, as needed and at the discretion of the Chair, the services of one or more analysts from the Library of Parliament to assist it in its work.

We currently have two such analysts, whom I won't name, because they keep a low profile, but they are smiling and ready to help us.

Next, I move:

That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be established and be composed of four members; the Chair and one member from each recognized party, as designated by each party’s whip; and that the subcommittee work in a spirit of collaboration.

On a meeting without a quorum, the motion reads:

That the Chair be authorized to hold meetings to receive evidence and to have that evidence published when a quorum is not present, provided that at least four members are present, including two members of the opposition parties and two members of the government party.

The next motion is on travel. It reads:

That, when travelling outside the Parliamentary Precinct: (a) the meeting begin after 15 minutes, regardless of whether quorum is present; (b) no substantive motion may be moved during such meetings.

That is presumably to ensure that there is a maximum level of efficiency when we have these meetings outside of Parliament.

On time for opening remarks and questioning of witnesses, the motion reads:

That witnesses be given five (5) minutes for their opening statements; that whenever possible, witnesses provide the committee with their opening statements 72 hours in advance; that, at the discretion of the Chair, during the questioning of witnesses, there be allocated six (6) minutes for the first questioner of each party as follows:

First Round:

Conservative Party

Liberal Party

Bloc Québécois

For the second and subsequent rounds, the order and time for questioning be as follows:

Conservative Party, five (5) minutes

Liberal Party, five (5) minutes

Bloc Québécois, two and a half (2.5) minutes

Conservative Party, five (5) minutes

Liberal Party, five (5) minutes

That is true for the second round and any subsequent round.

With respect to document distribution, I move:

That only the clerk of the committee be authorized to distribute documents to members of the committee and only when the documents are in both official languages; and that all documents submitted to the committee in both official languages, that do not come from a federal department, members’ offices, or that have not been translated by the Translation Bureau, be sent for linguistic review by the Translation Bureau before being distributed to members, and that the witnesses be advised accordingly.

I want to underscore how important it is to really understand this point. In recent years, either out of forgetfulness or for the sake of speed, people have tried using other means to distribute these documents, which are so important for the committee. It caused confusion and prevented the committee from functioning properly. Following this procedure is important. I strongly recommend that everyone become very familiar with the procedure for distributing these documents.

With respect to working meals, I move:

That the clerk of the committee, at the discretion of the Chair, be authorized to make the necessary arrangements to provide working meals for the committee and its subcommittees.

The next motion is on travel, accommodation and living expenses of witnesses:

That, if requested, reasonable travel, accommodation and living expenses be reimbursed to witnesses, not exceeding two representatives per organization; and that in exceptional circumstances, payment for more representatives be made at the discretion of the Chair.

On access to in camera meetings, the motion reads:

That, unless otherwise ordered, each committee member be allowed to be accompanied by one staff member at in camera meetings and that one additional person from each House officer's office be allowed to be present.

That, during in camera meetings, committee members may be informed by the committee Chair of the MPs who have been designated as substitutes for permanent members, in order to know which MPs are authorized to speak and vote during these committee meetings. That only those who have been recognized and identified as such be authorized to speak, in keeping with the usual agreed rules of order and decorum.

The next motion pertains to the transcript of in-camera meetings.

That one copy of the transcript of each in camera meeting be securely retained by the committee clerk for consultation by members of the committee or by their staff; and that the analysts assigned to the committee have access to the in camera transcripts.

This motion concerns notices of motions.

This is very important.

That a 48‑hour notice, interpreted as two nights, be required for any substantive motion to be moved in committee, unless the substantive motion relates directly to business then under consideration, provided that: (a) the notice be filed with the clerk of the committee no later than 4:00 p.m. from Monday to Thursday, and no later than 2:30 p.m. on Friday; (b) the motion be distributed to Members and the offices of the whips of each recognized party in both official languages by the clerk on the same day the said notice was transmitted if it was received no later than the deadline hour; (c) notices received after the deadline hour or on non‑business days be deemed to have been received during the next business day.

Next, we have orders of reference from the House respecting bills. This is another important motion:

That in relation to orders of reference from the House respecting bills:

(a) the clerk of the committee shall, upon the committee receiving such an order of reference, write to each member who is not a member of a caucus represented on the committee to invite those members to file with the clerk of the committee, in both official languages, any amendments to the bill, which is the subject of the said order, which they would suggest that the committee consider;

(b) suggested amendments filed, pursuant to paragraph (a), at least 48 hours prior to the start of clause-by-clause consideration of the bill to which the amendments relate shall be deemed to be proposed during the said consideration, provided that the committee may, by motion, vary this deadline in respect of a given bill; and

(c) during the clause-by-clause consideration of a bill, the Chair shall allow a member who filed suggested amendments, pursuant to paragraph (a), an opportunity to make brief representations in support of them.

This last set of motions deals with more technical matters, starting with technical tests for witnesses.

That the clerk inform each witness who is to appear before the committee that the House Administration support team must conduct technical tests to check the connectivity and the equipment used to ensure the best possible sound quality; and that the Chair advise the committee, at the start of each meeting, of any witness who did not perform the required technical tests.

With respect to whip access to digital binders, I move:

That the clerk of the committee be authorized to grant access to the committee's digital binder to the offices of the whips of each recognized party.

Lastly, on the maintenance of order and decorum, I move:

That, during meetings, the Chair, if necessary, uses his prerogative to suspend the meeting to maintain the order and decorum necessary to ensure the application of the House of Commons’ policies on workplace health and safety.

I have now read all the routine motions the committee is being asked to adopt.

Therefore, I would seek consent of the committee members to approve those routine motions.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Therefore, I would propose that we now adjourn the meeting.

We have Jacques and then....

Jacques Ramsay Liberal La Prairie—Atateken, QC

I move that the committee adjourn.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

All right.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Parkland, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I have a motion I would like to move:

That, given that committee members, staff, the clerk, analysts, and witnesses worked hard to produce the report entitled “Fighting the Phenomenon of Vehicle Thefts in Canada” during the First Session—

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

I'm sorry, Dane. I'm new, obviously, to this meeting, but I understand that this motion to adjourn needs to be decided upon before anything else can be discussed.

I would, in fact, decide that we move to adjourn and work appropriately and inclusively on what work we need to do in the next weeks in order to prepare for the important session that we'll be having, starting in late summer or early fall.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, BC

I have a point of order, Chair.

Pardon me, but I believe that Mr. Lloyd was actually attempting to intervene prior to the adjournment, as was I, in order to do this important work. Auto thefts from 2015 to 2023 are up over 45%. This committee heard from witnesses. We did not receive a government response within 90 days—