I would say there are many examples of how to do this well and there are many examples of how to not do it well. Bring your policy analysts out to the land, in the communities that have concerns in a particular policy area that's of interest to the government, and they will see exactly how this is done well in a good way. That is the solution.
It's through training, experience and awareness. These knowledge systems can come together in a braid and can solve some of the greatest challenges that are before us with respect to climate change, the biodiversity crisis and natural resource development, but we must have the understanding that this knowledge is much deeper and much more holistic than the limitations of western science, and I am a trained western scientist. We require the understanding and, I would say, also the awareness that our direction for policy and regulation is very siloed. You heard that earlier in the witness testimony.
What we're learning.... I sit on the Crown-indigenous working group for potential development of federal regulation for treatment and release of oil sands mining water. It's an industry need, and it's a highly emotional issue in the region, but it is absolutely essential that we understand that the integration is not just about the Fisheries Act and it's not just about UNDA and it's not just about the Canada Health Act; it's about how those policies and regulations have to interact in a more holistic way.
That's also another learning with respect to policy development.