Evidence of meeting #75 for Science and Research in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was office.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Mona Nemer  Chief Science Advisor, Office of the Chief Science Advisor

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lloyd Longfield

I call the meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 75 of the Standing Committee on Science and Research. Today's meeting is taking place in hybrid format, but everybody is here in person. It's great to see that.

You can choose the official language of your choice, of course, on the device in front of you. Do keep the earphone away from the microphone so that our interpreters don't receive the feedback that causes injuries to their hearing. As well, direct your comments through the chair.

It's now my pleasure to welcome, from the Office of the Chief Science Advisor, Dr. Mona Nemer, chief science advisor of Canada, as well as Dr. Geneviève Tanguay, vice-chief science advisor of Canada.

It's tremendous to have some time with you today to have a discussion on Canada's science. Within our committee, of course, that's where our focus is every week, so it will be great to hear from you.

Dr. Nemer, you have five minutes to get us started.

11 a.m.

Dr. Mona Nemer Chief Science Advisor, Office of the Chief Science Advisor

Good morning, Mr. Chair.

Good morning, everyone. Thank you again for giving me the opportunity to talk to the members of the committee about science and research in this country. I would also like to thank you for the important work you do.

I really want to say how much your reports are appreciated. They are thoughtful and are keeping science in the limelight and on the radar in the country.

Since my previous appearance before the committee, my office has been busy on a number of files, while continuing to provide independent advice to government on vital issues for Canadians.

With the support and participation of the science community, we have helped to define a vision for a new climate science strategy and have identified emerging challenges and opportunities in Arctic and subarctic scientific activity.

We have advised on, and will continue to inform, important decisions on the use of science in all aspects of emergency management, from preparedness to response to recovery.

As well, we are providing advice on the long-term health and socio-economic effects of the pandemic as well as the environmental impact of some major infrastructure projects.

Recognizing the growing need for science in government and the accelerating pace of technological change, we have launched a series of analyses for the federal science community. These studies aim to ensure that government decisions are based on the best science and scientific advice. In doing so, we are helping to maintain and even strengthen public confidence in science and democratic institutions.

That's why we remain committed to advancing scientific integrity policies, as well as open and safe science, which are core values for our international collaborations. Indeed, we have established fruitful research alliances with our international counterparts, as evidenced by the establishment of a France-Canada bilateral committee and Canada's access to the European Union's Horizon Europe program as an associate member.

All of these accomplishments are built on the contributions and excellence of our extraordinary science community, and I'm eternally thankful for their support and engagement. They have helped to grow Canada's scientific landscape and have made important contributions towards solving some of the most pressing global challenges. Canadians can be very proud of their country's well-recognized science strengths.

We have an outstanding research system that supports creative ideas, world-class infrastructure, multidisciplinary collaboration and an inclusive science culture. However, in order to fully utilize our assets and keep pace with our international peers, we need to be on top of the rapidly growing areas of science and technology that are advancing knowledge and attracting top talent from around the world.

The international landscape is diversifying, and there are more players than ever before vying for leadership. So many fields of research are advancing at an exponential rate—from quantum research and AI to biotechnology and gene therapy to the promise of fusion power and other clean technologies. At the same time, many of them are converging. The global science race is not just expanding; it is accelerating. It is also shaping tomorrow's economy and impacting communities.

Staying in the game is essential but will require focus and concerted efforts across sectors. We need to not only improve our support for Canadian research and researchers but also better utilize the resources we already have and ensure that our research and development ecosystem is fit for the reality and demands of the foreseeable future.

I trust we can all work together to safeguard our reputation of excellence in science and technology. It will directly impact our prosperity, national security and international relations.

Thank you again for the opportunity to exchange with you on the state of science and science advice in these important times.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lloyd Longfield

Thank you very much for your opening remarks.

We could dive into many of those, as I am sure we will. We have a study coming up on the Arctic, and you mentioned that. We're just about to undertake a study on research funding for universities. It's great to have the time to talk.

I want to thank Rosemarie Falk and Lori Idlout for coming to our committee as substitutes. It's great to have you here.

We'll now get started with our first round of six minutes each, starting with Corey Tochor for the Conservatives.

February 27th, 2024 / 11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Thank you very much.

Dr. Nemer, when your office was set up in 2017, it was reported that it had budget of $2 million. What's your annual budget now?

11:05 a.m.

Chief Science Advisor, Office of the Chief Science Advisor

Dr. Mona Nemer

I believe our budget has increased. I'm not certain exactly what it is. I believe it's more around $3 million or $3.5 million right now. I can certainly provide the exact budget figure.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

If you could provide that in writing, please, it would be much appreciated.

May I ask your salary?

11:05 a.m.

Chief Science Advisor, Office of the Chief Science Advisor

Dr. Mona Nemer

I regret that I'm unable to give you my salary, because I haven't looked at it recently. I can just say that I have an appropriate salary.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

On your salary, is there a bonus component to your compensation?

11:05 a.m.

Chief Science Advisor, Office of the Chief Science Advisor

Dr. Mona Nemer

There is no bonus compensation for my salary. I think it was set up this way to ensure my independence.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Was there any increase in salary from last year to this year, though?

11:05 a.m.

Chief Science Advisor, Office of the Chief Science Advisor

Dr. Mona Nemer

I believe I received the cost of living increases that everyone else received.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Do you know the percentage or the dollar amount?

11:05 a.m.

Chief Science Advisor, Office of the Chief Science Advisor

Dr. Mona Nemer

I'm very sorry, but I don't track this.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Lloyd Longfield

Maybe we could get a financial report coming back to us. That would be helpful. Thank you.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

It's just a little bit alarming with regard to this budget, but we'll find out what the actual dollar amount is.

I wanted to dive into a little bit of the good work that you do, and the only annual report that's available is 2021-22. The report for 2022-23 is not available, 2023-24 is not available, and then our current year of 2024-25, I'm assuming, is not available.

When do we expect these back annual reports to be filed?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Science Advisor, Office of the Chief Science Advisor

Dr. Mona Nemer

I think the 2022-23 annual report is the latest report that was developed, as the calendar indicates. It is done. It's imminent. It's right now being translated.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Do you have a target of how long it takes to produce these annual reports? Should we be expecting future ones to be two to three years behind, or...?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Science Advisor, Office of the Chief Science Advisor

Dr. Mona Nemer

I think we're producing the annual reports to the best of our ability. We are a small team. We actually do not have an office that is dedicated to producing the annual reports the way that other organizations, departments and agencies have in the government.

We appreciate that the annual reports are very important. We have promised to work in a transparent manner. Most of our activities are actually put up on our website on an ongoing basis. I'm not sure we have fallen that far behind in our annual reports, except during the pandemic. I hope it's understood that our most pressing issue was to provide the best advice to government and produce reports on the pandemic.

I appreciate the interest in our annual reports. I promise that you will not be disappointed with the latest one.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

To go back to the organization, you said it doesn't have the people or capacity to do these annual reports on time or in a shorter period of time. In terms of full-time equivalents, how many people actually work in your office? Has the number increased since 2017?

11:10 a.m.

Chief Science Advisor, Office of the Chief Science Advisor

Dr. Mona Nemer

When I arrived, there was space. There was no one in it. We had two individuals provided to us on an interim basis to support setting up the office, which we have done. I think we've done so in a reasonable and appropriate manner, to set up—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Could we get a report on the—

11:10 a.m.

Chief Science Advisor, Office of the Chief Science Advisor

Dr. Mona Nemer

—and to provide our mandate. Right now—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

We're going to run out of time here. I'm sorry.

Could you just—

11:10 a.m.

Chief Science Advisor, Office of the Chief Science Advisor

Dr. Mona Nemer

Right now—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Chair...?