Evidence of meeting #57 for Status of Women in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was workplace.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mary Dawson  Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner
Denise Benoit  Director, Corporate Management, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner
Paula Turtle  Canadian Counsel, United Steelworkers
Vinay Sharma  Director of Human Rights, Canadian Auto Workers

11 a.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

Good morning and welcome to the 57th meeting of the Standing Committee on the Status of Women. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), we are continuing our study of sexual harassment in the federal workplace.

In the first hour, we will be hearing from witnesses from the Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner. In the second hour, witnesses from both the United Steelworkers and the Canadian Auto Workers will join the meeting by videoconference.

Without further ado, let me introduce our first guests. They are Mary Dawson and Denise Benoit, from the Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner.

Welcome to you both. First, you have 10 minutes for your presentation. Then we will move to a question and answer period. When you have one minute left, I will let you know so that I do not have to interrupt you in the middle of a sentence.

The floor is yours.

11 a.m.

Mary Dawson Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I would like to thank the committee for inviting me to appear before you today as part of its study on sexual harassment in the federal workplace. I recognize the importance of preventing and dealing with sexual harassment situations, among other types of harassment, and I commend the committee for its work.

As you have already mentioned, with me this morning is Denise Benoit, Director of Corporate Management.

To provide some context, I am going to start with some background information about the Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner. Then I will review the policies we have put in place to prevent and deal with harassment, including sexual harassment. I have provided the committee with copies of those policies. I will also outline the legal framework within which my office operates. I will end my opening statement with a brief look ahead.

My office was created under the Federal Accountability Act. The part that relates to my office, the Conflict of Interest Act, came into effect in July 2007, the same time that I was appointed Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner. My office replaced the office of the Ethics Commissioner, one of its several predecessors.

Along with the Senate, the House of Commons, and the Library of Parliament, my office is part of the parliamentary infrastructure. The commissioner is an officer of Parliament who is appointed under the Parliament of Canada Act, so my office is totally separate from the public service and is not subject to Treasury Board policies. We are a small organization with a staff of 50.

During the more than five years that I have been commissioner, there has been no formal complaint of harassment in my office. There was one formal complaint submitted in July 2007, the very month I was appointed, the very week I was appointed, and it was quickly and successfully resolved. That case highlighted for me the need to strengthen my office's ability to prevent and deal with harassment and thus served as an impetus for developing an effective policy framework in this important area. Since that time we've received no harassment complaints, whether formal or informal.

Although, as I have noted, my office and its employees are not subject to Treasury Board policies, in developing the framework we drew on best practices used in the public service, as well as those used in the House of Commons administration.

As I mentioned, my office has its own terms and conditions of employment. Given that employees are non-unionized, that document performs a function similar to that of a collective agreement in a unionized workplace. Our terms and conditions of employment became effective in 2004 under the previous jurisdiction, with the establishment of the former office of the Ethics Commissioner and were revised in 2009 and again last year to reflect our current structure and work environment. They clearly recognize the right of employees to work in an environment free from any form of harassment and state unequivocally that harassment and abuse of authority will not be tolerated.

Our terms and conditions of employment also empower employees who believe that they have been harassed to seek redress through the procedures established in our “Policy on Prevention and Resolution of Harassment in the Workplace”. That policy reiterates employees' right to work in an environment free of harassment and articulates their right to be treated with respect and dignity, as well as their duty to treat others the same way.

It sets out a working definition of harassment, supported by concrete examples of what generally constitutes harassment, including sexual harassment and abuse of authority. It addresses prevention by providing for training. When the policy was introduced in 2010, we undertook an office-wide training session. As well, copies of the policy are given to anyone who joins the office.

The policy establishes confidential informal and formal resolution processes that employees who believe they have been harassed can follow and provides for mediation.

Steps in the informal process range from self-regulation, obtained by addressing the matter directly with the alleged harasser, to resolution through an expert resource.

The formal process, which is triggered by a written complaint, is coordinated by the director of corporate management, and may include conducting an investigation. Mediation by a neutral party can be used at any time in either the informal or formal resolution processes.

The policy also identifies various corrective and disciplinary actions ranging from oral reprimands to dismissal. Such actions may be taken not only against harassers, but also against managers who are aware of harassment but fail to act, anyone who hinders the resolution of a complaint through threats, intimidation or retaliation, and anyone who files a frivolous complaint.

The policy on prevention and resolution of harassment in the workplace is supported by the policy on discipline and its related guidelines, which took effect in March 2011, and the delegation of human resources management authorities.

Last April, after an extensive consultation process, my office issued a code of values and standards of conduct that all employees are required to read and sign when they join the office and again each year. In addition to underscoring the key values of the office, the code sets out expectations for behaviours in all activities performed by the organization.

To support our values, we went beyond general statements and identified behaviours that are specifically encouraged and those that are specifically prohibited. In support of the value of respect for people, the code recognizes employees' duty to help create and maintain a workplace that is free from harassment and discrimination and specifically prohibits behaviours related to the harassment of an employee with actions or words.

My office also has in place several non-policy tools that, I believe, may also contribute to preventing and resolving harassment issues. The joint labour relations committee manages labour management issues and undertakes employee consultation. Along with our human resources team, it has played an important role in policy development within our office. We also have an electronic suggestion box that employees can use to raise issues and concerns anonymously. We always answer those, incidentally, electronically as well.

We recognize the importance of providing adequate resources to implement our policy framework, and are prepared to do so to resolve any cases of harassment that may occur. As I have noted, there are various processes that employees who believe they have been harassed can follow.

While we will try to resolve harassment cases through internal mechanisms first, we will contract with someone from the outside if needed. The employees involved must have confidence that they're being treated impartially and fairly, and because we are a small organization we may sometimes have to engage external assistance in order to give them that assurance.

I'm confident of the effectiveness of the policy framework that my office has developed for preventing and resolving harassment, including sexual harassment. However, employees also have recourse to several other mechanisms. Employees of my office are unrepresented. Terms and conditions of employment establish the work conditions affecting them.

Under the Parliamentary Employment and Staff Relations Act, employees can use the internal grievance process if they are not satisfied with the resolution of a harassment complaint. This type of grievance cannot be referred for adjudication to the Public Service Staff Relations Board. If employees are not satisfied with the results of the internal grievance procedures, and their harassment complaint is based on one of 11 identified grounds, they may go before the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

While I believe my office's policy framework is appropriate—

11:10 a.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

You have one minute.

11:10 a.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

—and effective and we have had no complaints of harassment in over five years, I recognize that we must remain vigilant. A lack of complaints is not a foolproof indicator that there are not any challenges. I understand people can be afraid to complain because of the perception they could face career repercussions.

Rather than just relying on the lack of complaints, I believe it is important to dig deeper and solicit employees' views about whether the office is a healthy workplace. To that end, we are planning to conduct an employee satisfaction survey in the next few months, and it will include questions about harassment. The survey will be conducted by an outside firm, which will ensure all responses are completely anonymous, so employees will feel comfortable answering honestly.

We are also looking at more training options related to harassment prevention and resolution.

Madam Chair, I will now be happy to answer the committee's questions.

11:10 a.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Marie-Claude Morin

Thank you, Ms. Dawson. That was very interesting.

We now move to the question and answer period.

Ms. Truppe, you have seven minutes.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Susan Truppe Conservative London North Centre, ON

Thank you, Madam Dawson and Madam Benoit, for coming today. We certainly have enjoyed hearing about everything you do to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace.

We have some questions. You gave us a lot of information with statistics and everything else. You have a harassment policy but not a sexual harassment policy. Is that correct?

11:10 a.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

Asexual harassment is covered by the harassment policy. Do we explicitly mention sexual harassment?

11:10 a.m.

Denise Benoit Director, Corporate Management, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

It is defined. When we define harassment, sexual harassment is included, of course. It covers both types of harassment complaints.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Susan Truppe Conservative London North Centre, ON

If you are harassed in any way, including sexual harassment, that all falls under that category.

11:10 a.m.

Director, Corporate Management, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Denise Benoit

Absolutely, that's right.

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Conservative

Susan Truppe Conservative London North Centre, ON

You said you haven't had much since you took over the position, but do you have, or were there, statistics before you started? Are there any statistics that would show how much harassment there has been, if any, or sexual harassment explicitly?

11:10 a.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

There are not to my knowledge.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Susan Truppe Conservative London North Centre, ON

Will the survey you're going to do be the first in terms of statistics?

11:10 a.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

Yes, and it's generally a satisfaction survey. It's not specifically focused on harassment or sexual harassment.

11:10 a.m.

Director, Corporate Management, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Denise Benoit

Exactly. It would cover—

11:10 a.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

It would solicit anything like that if there was a problem.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Susan Truppe Conservative London North Centre, ON

What would they be satisfied or not satisfied with?

11:10 a.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

It would be the general working conditions in the office and the behaviour, I guess, of their colleagues and that sort of thing.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Susan Truppe Conservative London North Centre, ON

Would there be a separate area, say, one question that would ask whether someone had ever been sexually harassed, as opposed to just being harassed?

11:10 a.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

That survey is just in development at the moment.

Denise, do you know?

11:15 a.m.

Director, Corporate Management, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Denise Benoit

It would be very similar to the one that is done in the public service every three or four years. There's a section on discrimination, and there's a section on harassment. There are a few questions, some general questions, because harassment can be done internally or it can come from outside. We want to make sure that we understand the type of situations that could be happening, if there are any.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Susan Truppe Conservative London North Centre, ON

Right. It could be from external sources as well, on the phone and in person—

11:15 a.m.

Director, Corporate Management, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Susan Truppe Conservative London North Centre, ON

—so it would cover all of that. Okay, that's good.

You had also mentioned that because your office is so small you might use external assistance. Did you say you had used it in the past, or is it just on board in case you do need it?

11:15 a.m.

Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

Mary Dawson

We could use it, but in fact the one situation that I had within a week of when I came into the office, we did get some external assistance for.