Evidence of meeting #16 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was noise.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Gilles Dufault  Acting chairman, Canadian Transportation Agency
Seymour Isenberg  Director General, Rail and Marine Branch, Canadian Transportation Agency
Joan MacDonald  Director General, Air and Accessible Transportation Branch, Canadian Transportation Agency

4:45 p.m.

Acting chairman, Canadian Transportation Agency

Gilles Dufault

Perhaps it is a debate that needs to be had, but, thus far, the bill does not mandate the CTA with this responsibility, and the CTA has no intention of asking for such a mandate.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Mr. Julian.

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

You said, Monsieur Dufault, that the office of the transportation agency actually had the responsibility for intervening in railway noise complaints—previously. I think you said that.

4:45 p.m.

Acting chairman, Canadian Transportation Agency

Gilles Dufault

I said the agency in its previous incarnation had some jurisdiction over noise complaints. I simply said there was expertise that existed at that time, and hopefully it's still within the agency. The people who were experts at that time may have retired since—I don't know—but I simply say that it probably exists, and we'll surely try to see what we can do with this expertise.

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

How many noise complaints would you have had annually in that previous incarnation?

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Acting chairman, Canadian Transportation Agency

Gilles Dufault

I don't know.

Do you know?

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Director General, Rail and Marine Branch, Canadian Transportation Agency

Seymour Isenberg

There were on the order of six to ten coming in—

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Was that annually?

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Director General, Rail and Marine Branch, Canadian Transportation Agency

Seymour Isenberg

It was something like that. I'm dealing with—

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NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

I get that many in a week in my constituency office.

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Director General, Rail and Marine Branch, Canadian Transportation Agency

Seymour Isenberg

Yes, but there's obviously a big difference between a formal complaint and people calling up their local representative to do that. According to the Federal Court, we kind of extended our power beyond what the act said. So we lost the power to deal with noise complaints, until it's been reintroduced in the legislation.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

If we look at this, the additional responsibility, and all of the other additional responsibilities we've discussed for Bill C-11—you mentioned earlier that you deal with about 3,800 cases annually—what would be your forecast in terms of having these new powers? What would be the number of cases that you may handle?

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Acting chairman, Canadian Transportation Agency

Gilles Dufault

The difference would not be significant. If we talk about noise complaints, we don't know, but we assume that we can do it with the existing complement of resources.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Mr. McGuinty.

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Thanks, Mr. Chairman.

To understand this again, is the Canadian Transportation Agency a separate employer? What's your status? Are you a crown corporation?

4:50 p.m.

Acting chairman, Canadian Transportation Agency

Gilles Dufault

No, we are an agency of the government.

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

I understand. There are four or five different kinds of agencies of government.

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Acting chairman, Canadian Transportation Agency

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Are you a separate employer? Are your employees full-time?

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Director General, Air and Accessible Transportation Branch, Canadian Transportation Agency

Joan MacDonald

No, we're not. We're treated as a federal department and that's it.

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Great.

You have five members now?

4:50 p.m.

Acting chairman, Canadian Transportation Agency

Gilles Dufault

No, we have seven members. The act presently calls for seven members. The legislation—

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

The legislation would drop it to five.

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Acting chairman, Canadian Transportation Agency

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

But you have seven active members right now?