Evidence of meeting #25 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was post.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Moya Greene  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Post Corporation
Marc Courtois  Chairman of the Board, Canada Post Corporation

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to meeting number 25 of the Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities. Orders of the day, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), are a study of the management and operation of Canada Post.

Joining us today from Canada Post Corporation is Ms. Moya Greene, president and chief executive officer, and Marc Courtois, chairman of the board. Welcome.

You've been here before. I'm sure you are familiar with the process. If you want to make an opening statement, we'll move to questions afterward.

3:30 p.m.

Moya Greene President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Post Corporation

Mr. Chairman, we do have a short opening statement.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Please proceed.

3:30 p.m.

Marc Courtois Chairman of the Board, Canada Post Corporation

Mr. Chairman, members of the committee, I am pleased to be here today to assure the committee that actions taken by Canada Post were appropriate and done with the approval and oversight of the board. Specifically, a key role of the board is to ensure proper governance for transactions above a certain threshold. I can confirm that the contract to move domestic mail by air, which was awarded to Purolator Courier, was awarded appropriately and with the full oversight and approval required by the board of directors of Canada Post.

The contract was negotiated in accordance with Canada Post's commercial mandate. All applicable rules, laws, and regulations were followed. This was discussed at three board meetings. We approved the strategy, as required by our governance process, because we believed that the steps being taken by the company were in the best interests of Canada Post, the Government of Canada, and all Canadians.

Canada Post's board of directors understands and embraces the importance of good governance, transparency and accountability. We also understand that as a crown corporation, this company is held to a higher standard. We have all the necessary processes and checks and balances in place to ensure that money is spent appropriately and in the best interest of Canadians.

3:30 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Post Corporation

Moya Greene

Canada Post has, first and foremost, a very big mission and a mandate to deliver the mail to every Canadian in every part of Canada every business day. It’s a huge operation. About 45 million pieces of mail have to get to 15 million mailboxes every day.

This is an immense country, and we therefore rely on a very extensive and complex transportation network in order to deliver on that mission. In fact, it’s probably the biggest and the most complex transportation network in the country operated by any provider of service, and transportation by air is a critical component. Without planes, the mail does not get delivered and our service obligations to Canadians do not get met.

For decades Canada Post has had a business relationship with Air Canada to transport domestic and international mail. On April 30, 2008, we received an e-mail from Air Canada. I have copies of that e-mail that I’d like to share with you, and you can read it the way I did. The e-mail demanded that we change the existing agreement that Air Canada had with Canada Post to include five new provisions: first, to change the fuel surcharge from 25% to 100%; second, to increase base rates by 2.5% annually; third, to discontinue a well-established volume rebate that had been in place; fourth, to guarantee them 75% utilization, meaning that they wanted us to pay for space on their planes whether we used it or not; and finally, to increase international volumes on Air Canada.

We were told to “respond, agree, or negotiate” by May 16, or Air Canada would give Canada Post a notice of termination. These demands would have driven a significant cost increase in our air network system; in fact, there would have been about $15 million in additional costs per year. This is, of course, prohibitive. As our shareholder, you know the financial condition of Canada Post.

On May 16, 2008, we received a fax from Air Canada. The fax began, “Dear Sir/Madam”. It was to formally advise that we were being given 120 days’ notice of termination of the contract, so we had until September 13, ladies and gentlemen, to recreate the entire air network that we need to get the mail out every day. Normally, something like this would take well in excess of six months, maybe even a year, given the breadth and scale of Canada Post’s operation.

We met with Air Canada. Our people discussed and tried to extend the notice period, but it became obvious from the tone and specifics of our exchanges that Air Canada no longer wanted Canada Post’s domestic business.

An interim extension of our Air Canada contract would have required significant additional financial commitments. This was neither reasonable nor viable, and it was pretty clear that our differences were irreconcilable.

As a company, we have an obligation to Canadians to get them their mail. It is up to us to work out how to do it, but our obligation to them is plain, and it is understood by all: deliver the mail. We had to act very quickly and we had to act appropriately to avoid a major disruption in mail service. It is very important to note, Mr. Chairman, that when this actually happened, we were headed into our busiest time of the year, which is from September to the peak of the Christmas season.

We turned to Purolator Courier. Purolator Courier is a very important member of the Canada Post group of companies. It is 92.96% owned by Canada Post. It has already been an established and well-regarded supplier of transportation services to Canada Post; in fact, it’s been a supplier since 1993, and we had a great deal of confidence in our subsidiary's ability--Purolator's ability--to keep the mail moving.

Because Purolator is part of the Canada Post group of companies, its profit is, of course, consolidated into Canada Post. Purolator continues to contribute very significantly to the overall business of Canada Post. It is not just the air network, which is a critically important component in our ability to fulfill our mission; Purolator also has access to tarmacs, and its air network management capabilities are excellent. They can actually orchestrate a lift of this magnitude every business day. We're talking about 150,000 pounds of mail every business day, going all across the country. Canada Post transports 72 million pounds of mail by air every year, and we need aircraft that are large enough to meet those needs.

It is standard business practice for companies to enter into business transactions with their subsidiaries. That is commonplace. These transactions provide efficiencies, economies of scale and cost savings to one or both parties and can be a source of value-creation for shareholders.

Before we entered into the contract with our subsidiary, Canada Post engaged in a request for information. We are in the business. We have been in this business for decades. We know who participates in this business and we know who can supply to these very demanding requirements that we have to get the mail out. Nevertheless, we like to update our market intelligence, so we engaged in a request for information to investigate whether other solutions were feasible in the very short timeframe that we're talking about here.

The request for information was sent to four qualified air cargo suppliers: Cargojet, Esposito Logistics Services, First Air, and Purolator. Because we were in a high-risk situation, we selected companies that we do business with now. This is a major component of our ability to fulfill our mission.

Our conclusion at the end of this process was that Purolator could best meet all of our operational requirements within these restricted timeframes.

I'd also like to remind the committee, Mr. Tweed, that we have been moving mail by air for a very long time, so we have a lot of experience that enables us to first articulate our demanding requirements and then assess who is going to be capable of meeting them. I'm pleased to report that the transfer from Air Canada to Purolator was handled seamlessly. I don't think any of our customers knew what an extensive change in our operation we managed to orchestrate, and it was a very big change indeed. We were dedicated to doing it properly because of our obligation to get those 45 million pieces of mail out every day. We were able to reconstruct our entire transportation network inside the 120 days. I cannot really imagine the implications for Canadians if there had been disruptions in mail delivery as a result of the break in this air services contract.

It is now six months into the operation of our new air transportation network. The movement of domestic mail by air is more efficient, and Canada Post's overall costs are now lower than they would have been with Air Canada. We now have control over our whole lift process.

I believe that the process we followed in this contract with Purolator was appropriate, as was the outcome. They resulted in continued excellent service and value for Canadians. We're very satisfied with the result. We feel our approach has created value for Canadians; value for our shareholder, the Government of Canada; and value for Canada Post.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Thank you, Madam Greene.

Go ahead, Mr. Volpe.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Thank you, Madam Greene, for coming to share some of those views with us. You speak very strongly on the behalf of the corporation; I offer my compliments, but the issue has never been about whether Canada Post actually does a good job or not. If I might be so bold as to refer to an article in the Globe and Mail today, it says:

In 2007, the Canadian International Trade Tribunal ruled that there was a “serious deficiency” in Canada Post's handling of the tendering process for the $150-million contract to bring food to northern communities.

If I could draw your attention to the second line of the last paragraph of Mr. Courtois' presentation, it's really about transparency and accountability, so let us go to transparency and accountability.

Six of your senior executives are on the board of Purolator. They make up six out of the ten. I believe that of the other four, two are associated with Kelowna Flightcraft, or at least one of them is from there. Let me ask you, does six out of the ten really determine what will happen with that board of directors? Am I wrong with the numbers?

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Post Corporation

Moya Greene

No, except that there's only one representative of Kelowna. There aren't two.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

In your presentation you talked about the relationship between Canada Post and Purolator, but this contract actually eventually ended up with Kelowna Flightcraft, did it not?

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Post Corporation

Moya Greene

No. Our contract is with Purolator. Purolator contracts generally for its services and any other air supply services that it manages for others, including Canada Post, with Kelowna Flightcraft. Our contract is with Purolator.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

There's an indication in the annual report that Purolator acquired two DC-10-30s for the eventual contract, but those were actually acquired by Kelowna Flightcraft. Is this a situation in which Purolator takes into account the business relationship it has with other providers when it lists 15 aircraft as part of its delivery system?

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Post Corporation

Moya Greene

I don't understand your question, Mr. Volpe.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Okay. Who bought the planes? Was it Purolator or Kelowna Flightcraft? Who got the contract, Kelowna or Purolator?

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Post Corporation

Moya Greene

Purolator has the contract with Canada Post, and Purolator is our subsidiary. Purolator has a requirement to lift its own delivery requirements, ours, and in fact other companies as well that it lifts for. It has an air services agreement with Kelowna Flightcraft. That is correct.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

In this particular instance, the board of Purolator approved the handing off of the Canada Post contract with Purolator over to Kelowna, did it not?

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Post Corporation

Moya Greene

No, there's no handing off, Mr. Volpe. It is very important to get the contractual relationships clear. We have a contract with Purolator. Purolator organizes air transport for itself, for Canada Post, and for others. In the organization of its airlift requirements, it uses Kelowna Flightcraft. Kelowna Flightcraft obviously has to demonstrate to Purolator that it has the capacity to meet the requirements of the jobs that Purolator is doing.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Ms. Greene, you sit on both boards, both the Canada Post board and the Purolator board--

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Post Corporation

Moya Greene

That is correct.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

--and the people who depend on you....

Five of the members from your operation sit on the board that was going to make the decision on which carrier was going to provide service--

3:45 p.m.

Chairman of the Board, Canada Post Corporation

Marc Courtois

If I may, Mr. Volpe, Purolator is a subsidiary of ours. I would expect nothing else, since we have a majority of directors--

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Post Corporation

Moya Greene

That's a normal--

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

I understand all that. What I said was I wanted to get to--

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

We just need one person speaking.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Liberal Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Right. I wanted to get to the issue of transparency and accountability, okay?

I see six members of Canada Post sitting on the Purolator board. Purolator decides to contract with Kelowna Flightcraft for the contract that is no longer with Air Canada.

Forget Air Canada. The issue is whether in fact there was an open and transparent system for this type of contract. We're talking in excess of $100 million--

3:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canada Post Corporation

Moya Greene

Absolutely there was. Absolutely there was, Mr. Volpe.