Evidence of meeting #51 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Joe Volpe Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

I'm wondering if I can help this along by asking a question of the clerk and of you, Mr. Chair.

I don't want to anticipate what the parliamentary secretary might or might not say about this particular clause, or indeed about another amendment that he is proposing later on, but I'm wondering if it is the intention of the parliamentary secretary to actually reintroduce that same amendment later on in the bill. If that is his intention, I'm wondering if it would then be in order for him to amend his amendment by simply saying that we move clause 2 to wherever it is that he wants to put it.

Would that be in order, Mr. Chairman?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Merv Tweed

My advice is no; when you seek to eliminate an entire clause, you do it by defeating the clause, not by amending it and saying you're deleting it.

Mr. Jean.

March 1st, 2011 / 3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

If I may, perhaps I can just explain.

I apologize, Mr. Chair. I've been running around on this bill, and I want to....

My constituents thank you for last week, Mr. Volpe, when I stayed in town to try to solve this particular issue of Bill C-511.

My understanding is that if clause 2 is defeated, then we are able to take the PEDAL Act, in essence, or what Mr. Volpe has proposed, and put it into the MVSA, and use the enforcement provisions in the MVSA. Is that fair to say?

So what we need to do is vote on this particular clause and defeat it.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Merv Tweed

But what I'm saying to the committee is that if they do not want the clause to stand as it is because the amendment is out of order, then they should defeat the entire clause. Whether you're addressing the issue further in the bill will come up for discussion, but it's not up to me to give advice on a clause or an amendment that hasn't been presented--

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

I think we understand, Mr. Chair, that it's necessary that we defeat this particular clause in order for the bill to have the enforcement provisions of the MVSA.

Thank you.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Merv Tweed

Mr. Watson.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Jeff Watson Essex, ON

No, actually, that just clarified the point I was going to try to get at.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Merv Tweed

Thank you.

Mr. McCallum.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Markham—Unionville, ON

I just want to know if it will be in order down the road when we want to reintroduce this same clause as a new clause.

How can you vote sensibly without knowing that?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Merv Tweed

Well, the direction I gave the committee was that G-6, introducing new clause 6.1, can only be moved if clause 2 is defeated.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Markham—Unionville, ON

Oh, okay. So that means it can be moved if clause 2 is defeated.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Merv Tweed

Si.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Markham—Unionville, ON

Okay.

Then I think that's fine.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Merv Tweed

Okay, then.

Are there no other comments?

(Clause 2 negatived)

Mr. Jean.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Mr. Chair, in relation to the heading before that clause, will that be dealt with at the end of clause-by-clause?

Yes: the clerk nods affirmatively.

Thank you.