Evidence of meeting #106 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was highway.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Kelly Gillis  Deputy Minister, Office of Infrastructure of Canada
Arun Thangaraj  Deputy Minister, Department of Transport
Serge Bijimine  Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy, Department of Transport
Ron Hallman  President and Chief Executive Officer, Parks Canada Agency
Andrew Campbell  Senior Vice-President, Operations, Parks Canada Agency

11 a.m.

Honoré-Mercier Québec

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez LiberalMinister of Transport

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Colleagues, thanks for the invitation.

Canada, as you know, is a big country, a huge country, so an efficient and reliable network of roads is critical. From coast to coast to coast, roads are part of how we get goods and people where they need to go safely and quickly. Taking care of these roads and keeping them strong and in good repair is important. Also, expanding them when necessary is equally important.

Let's be clear: most Canadian roads are under provincial, territorial or municipal jurisdiction. That means that those levels of government are mainly responsible for activities such as the planning, design, construction, operation, maintenance and funding of the road system. Transport Canada has long funded numerous road infrastructure projects and will continue to do so.

By far, the biggest source of such funding is the national trade corridors fund, or NTCF.

You guys know it quite well. Since its launch in 2017, the NTCF has provided over $4.1 billion for 213 infrastructure projects across Canada, which—this is very important to mention—includes over $1 billion for 42 road projects. These projects are designed to help improve our national supply chain, making it smoother, more efficient and more robust. It's there to ensure that goods and raw materials get where they need to be when Canadians need them.

Here are some examples.

We're investing $135 million to upgrade the Klondike highway corridor in the Yukon. This project includes rebuilding 110 kilometres of road, along with new bridges and EV charging stations.

We also provided over $70 million to help the City of Edmonton improve the crossing at 58th Street and help CP Railway increase safety and improve traffic flow. The project will build a new overpass over the existing railway crossing, two new traffic lanes and a realigned intersection at 82nd Avenue and 58th Avenue.

In Nova Scotia, we completed the twinning project for Highway 104. This included twinning and upgrading 28 kilometres of existing highway and building an entirely new one-kilometre, four-lane realignment of the highway to facilitate container and truck traffic in that corridor.

We have earmarked $45.9 million to improve access to the Port of Montreal by extending Boulevard de l'Assomption between Rue Notre-Dame and Avenue Pierre-De-Coubertin. We will also create a road link between the port and the Trans-Canada Highway. Transport Canada has provided $50 million from the national trade corridors fund for another project in Montreal that, among other things, will help improve the road system around Mirabel airport and facilitate access to a new loading bridge.

In B.C., we're providing $12.2 million at the Fraser Surrey Port Lands to improve the fluidity and safety of road and rail traffic operations.

That is just a small sample of NTCF projects across the country involving roads. With this program, we have made investments in important projects across the country.

I'm very pleased to see that the Auditor General acknowledged, in the report she released a few days ago, that the national trade corridors fund is working very well. Incidentally, I'd like to say that Transport Canada is also responsible for the Outaouais Road Agreement, the purpose of which is to enhance overall efficiency and promote safety while encouraging regional and industrial development and tourism in the National Capital Region.

Incidentally, last December I was pleased to announce a joint $70.4 million investment under that program to support numerous road projects around Gatineau on roads that you no doubt use from time to time.

In closing, I'll come back to what I said earlier: Although jurisdiction for most of our country's highways and roads falls to municipalities, territories or provinces, there's still an important role for the federal government to play, and we will play that role.

Thank you very much.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Thank you, Minister.

We will now begin the first round of questions.

Mr. Strahl, go ahead for six minutes.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Mark Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Hope, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Minister, for being here.

We're here because of comments by your Montreal and cabinet colleague Steven Guilbeault, who said, in prepared remarks at a transit symposium in Montreal, “Our government has made the decision to stop investing in new road infrastructure...there will be no more envelopes from the federal government to enlarge the road network.”

Were you at the cabinet meeting where that decision was made?

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

I think he's had a chance to clarify himself. He's coming right after me. Mr. Strahl, you will have the chance to ask him exactly what he meant by that.

What I understood, after his clarification, was that he was specifically talking about one project, which concerns—

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Mark Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Hope, BC

No, he didn't actually speak about just one project. He said, “We don't have funds for large projects like the Troisième lien.” He said they don't have funds for large projects, going forward.

You said there wasn't a cabinet decision—

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

I can't talk about what we discussed—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Mark Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Hope, BC

When he said our government made the decision, was he lying? How did that...?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Mr. Strahl, you've been here for a while. You know that I cannot talk about what's discussed at cabinet.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

What I can tell you and demonstrate to you is that we have been financing many projects, including a transfer through the NTCF fund.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Mark Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Hope, BC

Okay, so—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Mark Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Hope, BC

He said that the analysis “we” have done—I assume that again means the government—is that “the network is perfectly adequate to respond to the needs we have.”

As a Montreal MP, do you believe that the road network in Montreal is perfectly adequate?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

I've been saying for a while that there's a lot to do in terms of roads, not only in Montreal but everywhere, in the Quebec region where Madame Vien comes from and in other provinces across the country. That's why we have the project and why we're investing in roads.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Mark Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Hope, BC

You disagree with the analysis that your government did and that the minister announced? We will ask him the questions as well.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

I'm not sure which analysis you're talking about, because—

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Mark Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Hope, BC

He said the analysis was done by your government, so that's what I'm referring to. If you have it, we would love to see it, but that's what he said.

I'm not creating words. He didn't get jumped by a journalist on the corner of the street; he made these prepared remarks, which I assume were approved by the Prime Minister's Office.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

You're assuming.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Mark Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Hope, BC

There's another question I had about Montreal.

We saw in Montreal that there was a police incident at a local food bank because there was so much need for the food bank that there were was a skirmish. The police had to be called in to restore order because people can't afford to put food on the table. We know that the increase that your government is bringing in to the carbon tax, a 23% increase, will drive up the price of food, because as you know as the Minister of Transport, when you increase the carbon tax, you increase the cost of transportation and trucking.

Given what is happening in your own community—

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Excuse me, Mr. Strahl. There's a point of order.

Go ahead, Ms. Koutrakis.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

I'm sorry to interrupt my honourable colleagues. I just want to speak to relevance. I'd like to know, on the comments, where this conversation is going.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Mark Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Hope, BC

I am sorry, Mr. Chair. With what happened in the last committee when we were here to talk about roads and we were talking about buildings at UBC, I'm sorry to be interrupted now by a Liberal member of Parliament when I'm questioning the minister.

We didn't interrupt when there were irrelevant comments and questions in the last panel and we don't expect to be interrupted by Liberals now when we're asking about something that is important to Canadians.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Schiefke

Thank you, Mr. Strahl. I've stopped your time so that you will not lose time for that point of order.

I'll ask all colleagues, regardless of political stripe, to try to keep on topic with what we're supposed to be discussing here today.

I'll turn the floor back over to you, Mr. Strahl.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Mark Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Hope, BC

When you increase the carbon tax by 23% on April 1, you're going to increase the cost of food, which will increase the need for food banks. We've seen two million Canadians a month now needing access to a food bank.

Why are you increasing the cost of the carbon tax when it's having such a detrimental impact, even in your own community?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

What is the cost of doing nothing, as you're suggesting, Mr. Strahl? What's the impact of floods, of huge fires? What's the impact on the future of our children and grandchildren of abandoning the fight against climate change, Mr. Chair?

In terms of the cost of living, I agree with you: It's expensive. We have to do more, and we're doing more. That's why we have programs such as the NTCF, which is investing in trade corridors, which are fundamental for the circulation of goods. I can talk about many other projects if you ask me the question. I have many projects I can share with you.

March 21st, 2024 / 11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Mark Strahl Conservative Chilliwack—Hope, BC

In terms of some of the projects that Minister Fraser talked about, he admitted that for many Canadians, for rural Canadians, for those who don't have the access that you and your colleague Mr. Guilbeault have to the subway or bike lanes or to being able to walk to work, the road network is critical and that rural communities need roads to have that connectivity.

On those roads, in many communities electric vehicles, for instance, are not an option. The distances are too great. The climate doesn't allow for it. Why, again, are you raising the cost of the fuel that is necessary for people to drive on those roads, to use the cars that they need to live their lives? Why are you making life more expensive for Canadians by increasing the carbon tax and by having your colleague quite frankly say that they're going to be on their own going forward when it comes to investments from the federal government?