Evidence of meeting #17 for Veterans Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was home.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Adam Luckhurst  Associate Director General, Program Management, Department of Veterans Affairs
Carlos Lourenso  Director, Continuing Care Programs, Department of Veterans Affairs
Colleen Soltermann  Acting Director, Disability and Treatment Benefits, Department of Veterans Affairs
Michel Rossignol  Analyst, Political and Social Affairs Division, Library of Parliament
Clerk of the Committee  Mrs. Catherine Millar

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Order, please. We'll call this meeting to order.

We're continuing our study of Veterans Affairs services offered by members of the Commonwealth and the G8.

We have esteemed witnesses with us today. We have Carlos Lourenso, the director of continuing care programs; Colleen Soltermann, acting director of disability and treatment benefits—did I get those names correct?—and Adam Luckhurst, associate director general, program management.

Adam reminded me that he addressed our committee in the 39th Parliament on the services of the Australian veterans affairs organization.

Is there just one person, or do all three of you have opening statements?

3:30 p.m.

Adam Luckhurst Associate Director General, Program Management, Department of Veterans Affairs

I'll provide a brief opening comment, then I'll hand it over to Carlos and Colleen to run you through the presentation.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Okay, very good. So all three of you will be participating in the opening.

Okay, then, I will let you go ahead at your discretion, Mr. Luckhurst, and then afterwards, of course, we'll continue with questions on a rotation basis, the way we normally do.

3:30 p.m.

Associate Director General, Program Management, Department of Veterans Affairs

Adam Luckhurst

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Thanks very much for inviting us to here today. I think we'll be able to provide you with some excellent and detailed information, particularly about our long-term care and VIP and health benefits programs. But I guess within the theme of our presentation today, it's really about how we're working towards establishing a better continuum of care for those we provide services to.

Colleen and Carlos, in their areas of responsibility, are managing the programs that really are about this continuum of care. Obviously, we're very strongly focused on the care and needs of our veterans, particularly as they age and particularly as they become less able to look after themselves or receive the support they need from their family members and caregivers.

There are a few points I'd like to make before we hear from Colleen and Carlos.

First, our client demographics are certainly changing very rapidly and are going to mean that over the next five to 10 years we'll have, unfortunately, many fewer World War II veterans to care for. We're obviously closely monitoring the need for an uptake of services and are planning now how we'll manage this change into the future.

Second, and I think really importantly--and I guess I'm commenting more on long-term care--certainly across the range of programs we provide we've made quality of care a priority. And I think through the presentation you'll see that the work we're doing here is really about how to ensure that the care provided in the facilities is able to best meet the needs our veterans have.

Over time, we also want to specialize the care available in our contract beds to really make sure that we provide extra services above and beyond what is available in the community.

Finally, overall, we have a comprehensive range of programs in place to provide our veterans with the best possible care when and where they need it. Whether in their homes or their communities, in communities or in community-based facilities, more and more veterans want to remain in their homes and communities for as long as possible. And I guess what our programs are about is working with them to make that happen. We want to be able to give veterans more choices in the sites of care that best meet their particular needs.

As I said earlier, we hope to be able to share considerable information with you on these programs today. We recognize that you're discussing other programs at various times, and also in Charlottetown, so we'll try not to cut across those areas at all.

Now, if I could, I'll hand it over to Carlos first, who'll describe, in particular, the long-term care and VIP programs.

Go ahead, Carlos.

3:35 p.m.

Carlos Lourenso Director, Continuing Care Programs, Department of Veterans Affairs

Good afternoon.

I'd like to thank you for the opportunity to come here to speak to you about two very special programs we have for our war service veterans and other veterans across the department. Over the years we've been very privileged to be able to provide an array of services to Canada's war veterans.

The material you have before you has been provided in advance, so I won't be going over the details of the slides. You can ask me any questions afterwards, but I'll speak to the themes and highlights of those slides so we can get through them.

I'd like to begin with slide 3 and some key underpinnings of VAC's approach to what we call a continuum of care. VAC has been in the business of providing home care and long-term care for more than a quarter of a century now. We know that clients prefer to stay in their own homes in their own communities as long as possible. For many veterans, home care is the preferred and most cost-effective option we can provide them. It promotes client independence, and we try to offer a continuum of supports that promote choice and independence, while at the same time trying to be cost-effective.

Our services have evolved over a number of years. The VIP and long-term care programs have evolved significantly over the last quarter of a century. One of the things we try to pay most attention to in both programs is quality of care.

When we speak to a continuum of care, there are many definitions, but what we essentially refer to is an integrated and seamless system of services for veterans. Our approach is needs based, designed to foster a continuity of care using a variety of resources and providers we have and that exist in people's communities. It's designed to serve clients along their life courses from a needs-based approach, recognizing that people and circumstances change as they move through those life courses. It includes a variety of things such as health care benefits; medical services; supports to encourage and support independent living; and then intermediate, chronic, and residential care settings.

I'll take a few minutes to speak to you about the veterans independence program. Some of you may know about this program; others may not. The goal of the veterans independence program is to help people stay as healthy as possible, try to prevent functional decline, and remain independent in their own homes. It's available to eligible veterans, primary caregivers, and certain survivors of veterans who were never in receipt of VIP. It enables people to be independent and self-sufficient. It tries to improve their long-term health care by having services that are implemented as early as possible, improve quality of life for recipients and their families, and reduce the skyrocketing costs of institutionalization.

These outcomes are achieved through various benefits we have in the VIP. Some of the bigger ones are listed in your next two slides. Slide 8 really touches on the largest pieces of the VIP. The total expenditures for the program are $303 million. About 60% of that is focused on the housekeeping area. Nursing home care occupies about $54 million. Grounds maintenance is about $46 million. Then there are the smaller components of nutrition and personal care.

On the next slide we talk about the type of evaluation that has occurred with the VIP over the years. As far as we know and understand from our provincial partners, it is the longest-standing program with a national capacity in Canada. It provides clients requiring different types of care with the services that will delay their need for institutionalization.

We know it has been rated at a very high level by recipients, and as far as substitution of care, it reduces health care costs significantly. We also know--and you can see some of the numbers there--that the average cost of providing VIP for somebody in their house is about $2,800 a year. VAC's contribution to a VAC contract bed is on average annually $56,000 a year, and we contribute to the cost of care for veterans in community facilities about $13,000 a year.

We also know through various programs we have, such as the OSV/VIP, which is the overseas veterans at-home program, that when some veterans--and we've had a couple thousand of these--are offered services at home, many who were assessed as requiring long-term care and nursing home care are able to stay at home. In fact, they can stay at home for a long period of time and not require that institutional care. So we're very pleased with some of the results we've had with this program.

On the next slide, we introduce something called the continuing care research project. This was a large-scale study undertaken between VAC and the Government of Ontario. It was endorsed by the Canadian Seniors Partnership, and it recently released some major findings. Some of these are summarized on page 11: “Under appropriate circumstances, long-term home care is often a cost-effective alternative to long-term facility care. With this study, there is now a substantial weight of research evidence that home care is a lower cost alternative to long-term facility care”--even for people at similar care levels--“even when the cost of informal caregiver time is considered.” In other words, it was factored in that if you paid for the informal caregiver time,plus the other services that were being received at home, the home care services were still a much more cost-effective alternative and a much preferred alternative to facility-based care.

We also note through this study that “Home support services are an integral part of long-term home care. Veterans Affairs Canada has data to suggest that its Veterans Independence Program is beneficial to Veterans, caregivers, and...taxpayers.” And we have “a growing body of evidence about the substantial economic contribution made by informal caregivers” across the country.

There is a tremendous amount of potential now to develop new knowledge from VAC's experience and through this research. The study has garnered a significant amount of interest in provincial forums, at the federal health care partnership level, and with other providers. Certainly, if this committee is interested in a more complete or comprehensive review of that study, it can be provided to you.

I'll take you to page 13 now and demonstrate some of the types of feedback we've been receiving from VIP.

VIP has been called the gold standard for home care in Canada by a variety of experts. It's been called the perfect model of independent senior care. It has been featured in Healthcare Quarterly, a Canadian publication geared to health care managers and administration. The feature in that particular magazine was entitled “Increasing Value for Money in the Canadian Healthcare System”.

VIP has been a key topic discussed at a number of different conferences and symposia focused on aging and seniors, including the Canadian Research Network for Care in the Community.

As you may know, the Special Senate Committee on Aging commends Veterans Affairs Canada on its success and cost-effectiveness in creating a program for veterans that is considered the gold standard across the country. In fact, the committee has identified VIP as a possible model for a national home care program.

We continue on an ongoing basis to meet with our partners in the provinces and in other jurisdictions to talk about the VIP program, its success, its challenges, how the program has evolved over the years, and the changes we're looking at making to ensure that it remains completely relevant to the clients it's trying to serve.

On slide 14, just to very quickly give you a sense in the graph of the VIP forecast, the top line represents the uptake of VIP since inception in 1981 and how it peaked once again with the introduction of the survivors becoming eligible for VIP, the expansion of VIP services to survivors in 2001. In 2002, you can start to see the increase there. It also shows you the clear demographic pattern that's existing, and that the need for VIP over the next decade will subside, will decrease. We see some uptake from the CF veterans, but certainly not enough to compensate for the decline in other populations.

I'll move on to the next slide to provide you with an overview of our long-term care program. It has a very long history. Long-term care in Veterans Affairs Canada started after the First World War. It was a program intended to support veterans coming back from war who had acute and rehabilitative needs. Veterans Affairs operated its own system of hospitals. In fact, in the mid-1940s, Veterans Affairs had 44 hospitals and facilities that we were operating across the country for veterans. Of course, the Veterans Affairs system predated universal health care in Canada, and there was a need to create a variety of different services as veterans evolved in terms of their needs. As they aged, the institutions began to change in terms of their focus from providing acute and rehabilitative care to more chronic and long-term care.

The facilities, with the exception for one—Ste. Anne's Hospital in Montreal—were transferred to the provinces beginning in the 1960s as a result of something called the Glassco commission and a cabinet decision to transfer those facilities to the provinces, which took on the jurisdiction and responsibility for health care across the country.

We continue to evolve in the long-term care program. There are changes being made to try to be relevant and adapt to the changing needs of veterans as we move through the system. Their current program includes just over 10,000 clients, with just over 3,000 clients in what we call our contract beds, and 7,000 clients in community beds, which are also known as provincial beds.

The long-term care program supports three different types of beds: contract beds, which are beds either in community facilities or in large veterans facilities with which Veterans Affairs has a contractual arrangement to provide care for veterans in those beds; departmental beds, which refer to the 420-odd beds we have at Ste. Anne's Hospital; and then the majority of clients reside in community beds, which are provincial beds that are available to them as citizens of their province, and Veterans Affairs helps them with their cost of care.

We operate within the provincial systems across the board, and we try to ensure there's fairness and consistency with respect to the amount that a veteran will pay in a bed, regardless of where they live. If a veteran lives in a province that does not insure long-term care, they will pay the same rate as a veteran who lives in a province that does insure long-term care. In the Atlantic provinces, in Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, Veterans Affairs will pay more because the cost to the resident is more. The veteran will pay $856 in British Columbia. We will pay less, and the province picks up more, and the veteran will pay $856.

On page 17 you can see that today we have just over 100,000 VIP clients, with 96,000 in the community and 7,000 in long-term care. We have just over 3,500 long-term care clients who are not VIP clients. That means those clients are in contract beds. The forecast for just under a decade from now sees that 103,000 drop to just over half, to 65,000, and the long-term care number to about the same, about 50% of today's number.

The next slide gives you a sense of the long-term care forecast. We believe we have peaked in terms of the long-term care admissions for veterans--which are around 10,500 or so--and that we're now on the downside of the slope. Those numbers should decrease slightly over the next few years, and in about three to four years they should decrease quite dramatically.

The next slide is slide 19.

We operate our long-term care program in a complex system of provinces, health authorities, health boards, and so on. The program continues to evolve in order to try to meet veterans' needs across all these various jurisdictions.

Client choice is a key factor for our long-term care program. Veterans have been voting with their feet. Over the last decade, we've seen an increase of 80% in terms of community bed uptake, and although our contract beds have been available to veterans, we've actually seen a decrease while the overall numbers have continued to increase.

Implementing quality assurance in our long-term care program is our number one priority. We understand that our veterans live in a variety of facilities, most of them facilities that we neither own nor operate, and over which we have no jurisdiction. Finding ways to ensure that veterans are okay, that we meet the commitment we made to these people many years ago, is the number one priority in this program. We examine how best to recognize and support them in their choices in where they want to live, whether they want to continue to live at home, in an alternative setting in their community, or in long-term care.

We have a contingent of contract beds, as you know. We're beginning to experience vacancies across those contract beds, and we're beginning to make plans to ensure that the contract beds of the future remain there for the veterans who need them. Many of them are specialized. We want to be able to use those assets to provide the specialized type of care that veterans may not be able to receive in their community in a timely manner.

Contract beds serve as a tremendous asset to us. If a veteran doesn't need a contract bed as a traditional long-term care bed, they may in fact need specialized care that we might be able to provide through that bed. We work with provinces and health authorities to ensure that if veterans do not need the contract beds we have to pay for, those beds may be available for use in the community. We continue to ensure that we have the highest standard possible for our departmental beds in our Ste. Anne's facility.

When we speak of war service veterans, we are keenly aware that we have a responsibility to ensure that Canada's deep commitment to these very special people is met and that we provide them with the programs, services, and support that we insisted we would provide to them in the years to come.

This is very important for those of us who, as I have, have worked with veterans for a long time in long-term care. I visited them in their homes when I first started with Veterans Affairs. These are very special people. Time is the enemy for them. There is only a certain amount of time, and we need to make sure these folks have services and programs across the board, whether in community facilities or in contract facilities; that we're engaged in a variety of activities with other providers to ensure that their needs are fully met; and that they can exercise their independence and their choice.

We try to manage the VIP and long-term care as a continuum for the benefit of veterans. We have brought these programs together under one operational unit to ensure that when we look at changes in the VIP, they mesh and merge with the long-term care program so that we eliminate any gaps that may exist between those two programs and we strengthen the continuity between them. We need to ensure that the evolving provincial programs we see every day are captured in this continuum of support.

Every day something changes across the provinces, across the health authorities, and it's our responsibility to ensure that within the limits of our authorities, we find ways to support veterans through all these different and evolving types of care. We must eliminate gaps and overlaps between the programs so that they can be supported through one or the other and not fall in between them. Within our current authorities we will advance, and are advancing, policy solutions that allow for options to be found to solve both some of the problems we ourselves are facing and some of the problems across the provinces in which veterans live.

I want to talk a little bit about quality of care.

Quality assurance is key to us. We know that most of our veterans live in provincial beds--those who are in long-term care--in systems that are strained, in circumstances that are sometimes volatile. We lack jurisdictional authority. We work with our partners to help make improvements; however, at the end of the day, what we can do is ensure that our individual veterans in long-term care, those who have moved to a place that will likely be the last place they live in their lives, are okay.

We've undertaken some very aggressive initiatives to ensure that this happens. We, in partnership with the Royal Canadian Legion, are visiting and undertaking satisfaction questionnaires with up to 4,000 veterans a year across all sorts of different facilities.

We have recently begun a process under which we will send out a registered nurse to visit up to 4,000 veterans a year to ensure that their needs are being met, regardless of whether they live in a licensed, regulated community facility or not. We know that things can slip by and that nothing can replace the presence of a health professional who is able to undertake a comprehensive assessment and identify unmet needs so that we can take appropriate action.

We undertake facility reviews on a variety of facilities, whether they're veterans' facilities or not, and in most cases they're not. We're also pursuing, in partnership with Accreditation Canada, an expanded accreditation program that will see accreditation exist not only for the larger facilities but also for the smaller ones in rural communities and in smaller communities where we know veterans live.

We will continue to monitor provincial compliance measures. Provinces, to varying degrees, undertake different kinds of processes aimed at ensuring that their facilities are meeting the long-term care standards of that province. We have a process in place where we monitor the various compliance measures, we identify when facilities have not met various standards, and then we undertake action in that regard, undertaking a facility review and other action as deemed appropriate.

With respect to the veterans independence program, we undertake monthly file reviews at the field level, at our district offices. We do annual follow-ups on clients. We do audits and evaluations of registered providers who are providing services to veterans, and we undertake quality assurance reviews on a targeted basis.

I'll now give you a break from me and pass you over to my colleague Colleen Soltermann, who'll talk to you about our treatment benefits program.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Before you go ahead, Madam Soltermann, we typically are pretty amenable to going over time here, but we're at 26 minutes now and generally it takes around 20 minutes. How much longer will your presentation take?

3:55 p.m.

Colleen Soltermann Acting Director, Disability and Treatment Benefits, Department of Veterans Affairs

There are three slides left, and I'll speak to them relatively quickly.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Thank you.

3:55 p.m.

Acting Director, Disability and Treatment Benefits, Department of Veterans Affairs

Colleen Soltermann

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'm just here to give you a brief overview of our health care benefits program, more commonly known as the treatment program. Basically, our veterans who are receiving VIP and long-term care support do have access to our health care benefits or treatment program. It's designed to enhance the quality of life of VAC clients by providing them with health care benefits and services—which I'll speak to on the next slide—in order to respond to their assessed health needs. It's a critical component of our approach to a comprehensive suite of programs and supports, and it's key in ensuring that our veterans are well taken care of in long-term care and the VIP program as well.

There are 14 programs of choice, as you can see on the next slide. That's how we administer them. I won't speak to each and every one of them, but these are examples of the types of benefits available. For example, we provide aids to daily living, which can be canes and bathroom aids. We provide medical services, such as injections. Prescription drugs is also a program that supports veterans significantly. As well, we provide prosthetics and orthotics, which can include footwear and braces and artificial limbs, as needed. The last one on my list is vision care. We provide glasses so veterans can see better.

The last slide I'll speak to deals with how we link with some of the other programs that VAC has, in particular the new veterans charter. I know that you've heard from my colleagues on the new veterans charter and the programs available under it, which provide significant support, one of them being the disability awards. The other aspect of disability benefits is, of course, disability pensions. We also have a mental health framework, and I understand you'll be travelling to Charlottetown in the near future to hear from our colleagues on mental health. Also, the other program is case management.

We also work closely with the Federal Healthcare Partnership. It has a continuing care partnership working group through which we work with various departments. We work closely with provincial home care and long-term care programs in the community, as Carlos was explaining, and municipal and non-governmental programs. We also work very closely in the research area, whether it be with other departments, other countries, or on our own research with universities in the field, to ensure that we respond to veterans' needs.

That would be it from me.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Very good. Thank you very much.

I mentioned in the opening—and I think it's good to reiterate this, particularly because we're going to be going to the report stage soon—that Mr. Luckhurst's presence here is an example of some of the work that Veterans Affairs Canada does. In fact, one of VAC's employees is in Australia right now. So this is an example of collaboration in learning best practices between the different veterans affairs organizations in the countries.

So I would just verify that this is going on presently, and that you're not going back until September, I understand. Mr. Luckhurst likes our winters, and that's all I'm going to say.

Now, for seven minutes, Madam Sgro.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

Thank you very much.

And an extra special welcome to you. I do hope you find the experience positive. We're very happy to have you here with us today.

All of the information has been very interesting and has provided lots of room for lots of questions. The first one I wanted to ask about is the issue of extending the VIP program to spouses. Where are we with that particular scenario? It has been committed to and talked a lot about. Where are we as we speak, today, May 9, on that issue of extending it to spouses?

4 p.m.

Director, Continuing Care Programs, Department of Veterans Affairs

Carlos Lourenso

Currently, as you may know, the program for spouses and survivors has expanded over the years. At one point in time, spouses were eligible to receive the VIP services for 30 days; then in 1990 that was expanded to one year; and then in 2005, the program was expanded so that spouses or survivors could receive a lifetime continuation of the program.

In budget 2008, it was announced that in fact a further expansion would be forthcoming and that spouses and survivors could receive the program not just if their deceased spouse had been receiving it, but also if that spouse had been eligible for the program. So had the deceased veteran been in receipt of a disability pension or in receipt of WVA or an income program, then the spouse or survivor would be entitled to receive services under the VIP for their lifetime. We're implementing that, and we've had quite a significant uptake of that in the last while.

That's where it stands right now.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

But not everybody is receiving it who has requested it.

4:05 p.m.

Director, Continuing Care Programs, Department of Veterans Affairs

Carlos Lourenso

The spouses who are receiving it are those whose deceased veteran would have been able to receive the program. Those are the authorities we have in place that we've implemented.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

As of today.

4:05 p.m.

Director, Continuing Care Programs, Department of Veterans Affairs

Carlos Lourenso

As of today.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

Hopefully, we'll see that change. I do think the VIP program is a wonderful program, without question, but I suspect my colleagues will follow up on that. I've got some other questions for you here.

On the issue of providing home care, how many hours of home care do you provide per veteran? Your costs are quite low. You're talking about $2,800. The average annual cost of the VIP program was $2,800--this is VAC's contribution--compared to $56,000 had the individual been in a contract bed.

4:05 p.m.

Director, Continuing Care Programs, Department of Veterans Affairs

Carlos Lourenso

Currently that's not reflective of the maximum; that's reflective of an average that people receive based on an assessment of needs.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

Your maximum is $8,885.

4:05 p.m.

Director, Continuing Care Programs, Department of Veterans Affairs

Carlos Lourenso

Close to $9,000, that's correct.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

All right. When you go in to provide the home care services that the veteran needs, one, where do you obtain the workers, the home care workers? But second, they must be maxed out at 20 hours a week or 10 hours a week or whatever. What are the limitations?

4:05 p.m.

Director, Continuing Care Programs, Department of Veterans Affairs

Carlos Lourenso

It really depends on the individual circumstances. There is no limit in terms of the number of hours. There is a tier in terms of the limit, in terms of how many dollars can be contributed towards that client for that particular service, but no actual limit in terms for the number of hours. So in some cases you can get a greater number of hours at a lesser per-hour cost or charge and in other circumstances less, depending on the type of services you receive.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

To a maximum of $8,885 a year.

4:05 p.m.

Director, Continuing Care Programs, Department of Veterans Affairs

Carlos Lourenso

I believe that's the number right now.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Judy Sgro Liberal York West, ON

Yes.

The whole program sounds wonderful and you deliver it fabulously, Mr. Lourenso. You've got the compassion in your voice that I think we all like to see, and the caring is clearly there, but it sounds like one thing. If the average expenditure on the VIP program for all of those fabulous services is about $2,000 and rarely reaches the maximum, it's hard for me to imagine, just given the home care pressures I hear a lot about from the community at large, not necessarily just veterans, that they're getting very much home care on this.