Madam, we know that in aggregate terms 800 people are going to disappear from Veterans Affairs—550 involved in the transformation and 250 subsequently—but behind it all is a Treasury Board study, the Coulter report, which was done in 2010. We have been trying desperately to find out what it contains. We don't know. It triggered the transformation process. We were told that it's cabinet secret.... We don't have any basis for what triggered this or where the focus of that study was, but the study was done by a federal ministry, and that started the process.
That was done in 2010. We have heard various comments by our minister, but we don't have any substance and really can't say that they're cutting 15 people here or 20 there. You heard the presentation on May 8 that talked about the various sleight-of-hand operations, but as for what's the overall plan, we don't know.