Thank you, my valued Chair.
I'm going to go back to the transformation initiatives.
Colonel Bernier, you've been here before, and I always appreciate your testimony. You talked about the stigma, though, and I think this is critical. I can tell you that Mr. Chisu is right—the stigma of the men and women who served in Bosnia and other places.... Certainly I've sat with them. It has taken them years, and they've suffered for many years before coming forward. We must strive to never have that happen in our country again.
There have been some great changes in the leadership of the Canadian Forces. Generals Natynczyk and Hillier have both taken on strong roles and are making sure they try to change that stigma. I take it from your testimony you feel as though the stigma has changed as well.
Do we have any indicators or measurements that show this is working, that the stigma is actually changing?