Evidence of meeting #53 for Veterans Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was research.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Alisha Henson  Clinical Psychologist, Supervised Practice, As an Individual
Alana Jaquemet  Registered Social Worker and Registered Psychotherapist, As an Individual
Ramesh Zacharias  Chief Executive Officer, Chronic Pain Centre of Excellence for Canadian Veterans
Hélène Le Scelleur  Captain (Retired), Co-Chair, Centre of Excellence Advisory Council for Veterans, Chronic Pain Centre of Excellence for Canadian Veterans
Joy MacDermid  Professor, Chronic Pain Centre of Excellence for Canadian Veterans

8:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Excuse me, Mr. Garrison. Did you say we have a copy circulated?

8:20 p.m.

NDP

Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC

It was circulated electronically, I think.

8:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Okay, the clerk is working on it.

Could you repeat it again for the benefit of the members, please?

8:20 p.m.

NDP

Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC

Sure.

8:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

By that time, we'll receive it electronically.

8:20 p.m.

NDP

Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC

It would add, simply, after “Barbara Clow”, the following: one, description of disability adjudication at VAC from September 13, 2019; two, findings from key informant consultations, October 1, 2019; three, analysis of adjudication instruments and processes, December 20, 2019; four, the evolution of adjudication tools and rules at VAC, December 20, 2019; and, five, sex- and gender-based analysis of disability benefits adjudication at VAC, a summary report, February 11, 2020.

8:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Okay, we can take care of this amendment.

Would you like to intervene?

I have Mr. Rogers on Zoom, followed by Ms. Lattanzio.

Go ahead, Mr. Rogers.

8:20 p.m.

Liberal

Churence Rogers Liberal Bonavista—Burin—Trinity, NL

Mr. Chair, I just received a copy of Mr. Richards' motion. I haven't seen the amended motion. I would like an opportunity to discuss it with my colleagues.

I move that we suspend.

8:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Mr. Rogers, personally, I received Mr. Garrison's amendment in my email.

Perhaps we can go to Ms. Lattanzio and then come back to deal with that.

8:25 p.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB

I can speak to his point of order.

It has been given to all members of the committee. It is in your email box. I don't see a reason to suspend.

8:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Ms. Lattanzio, go ahead, please.

May 18th, 2023 / 8:25 p.m.

Liberal

Patricia Lattanzio Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I want to receive a copy for myself. I have yet to receive the amendment from Mr. Garrison in my email. Can the clerk ensure that I receive a copy so that I can follow along?

8:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

I know, Ms. Lattanzio, that you're not a regular member of the committee. I'd like to make sure, with the clerk, that you receive a copy as soon as possible.

He just sent it.

8:25 p.m.

Liberal

Patricia Lattanzio Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

I got the notice from the clerk.

8:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Okay, he will send it to you as soon as possible.

Are there any other interventions on the amendment?

Since the amendment was sent to Ms. Lattanzio, if no one else would like to speak, I will call the vote on the amendment moved by Mr. Garrison.

8:25 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Casey Liberal Charlottetown, PE

Mr. Chair, we would like the opportunity to discuss among ourselves the very detailed amendment that has just been provided.

Mr. Rogers asked that you suspend to afford us that opportunity. You have the discretion to do so. I would ask that you exercise it.

8:25 p.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB

To that point, as you indicated previously, this motion was submitted almost a month ago. All the amendment does is simply list the research that's been referred to in this motion. If members didn't do their homework in the month they had to do it, I don't believe the rest of the committee should be required to sit around while there's a discussion. I don't think the witnesses should be interrupted for any longer than they need to be. Let's just vote on this.

If members didn't do their homework, they'll have to choose what they want to do for their vote.

8:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Okay.

Colleagues, let's go back. On the floor I have the request to suspend, but I have to have the full consent of the committee to suspend.

Do I have the consent of the committee to suspend?

8:25 p.m.

Some hon. member

No.

8:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

I don't have the consent of the committee to suspend.

8:25 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Casey Liberal Charlottetown, PE

Chair, I would like to speak to the motion and the amendment.

When do you expect to adjourn the meeting? I'll be speaking until you do, without suspension.

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Mr. Casey, could you please repeat that?

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Casey Liberal Charlottetown, PE

I'd like to speak to the motion.

Will we be adjourning at 8:30?

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Emmanuel Dubourg

Yes.

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

Sean Casey Liberal Charlottetown, PE

Very well.

Thank you very much for the floor, Mr. Chair.

We have before us, in the dying moments of the meeting in front of witnesses, a motion that was apparently put on notice—well, it's been confirmed now that it was put on notice—on April 21. I don't see any apparent problem with the motion. It certainly appears there was some research done by a Dr. Barbara Clow on a matter that does appear to be relevant to the—