House of Commons Hansard #208 of the 36th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was young.

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Privilege
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April 15th, 1999 / 5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Steve Mahoney Mississauga West, ON

Mr. Speaker, I would like to raise a question of privilege for you to consider. I recently entered the building, after having returned to my office. While in my office I heard a number of members in this place stand to hurl abuses my way, which is fine in this place. However, at the front door, on my way back, I encountered two members of the Reform Party, the member for Blackstrap and the member for Okanagan—Shuswap, who were having a cigarette, at which time they proceeded to become very abusive toward me, hurling insults. This is not the first time the member for Okanagan—Shuswap has acted in this manner. He challenged me to a physical encounter of some description. “Come on, let's go”, he said and clenched his fists.

It is my job in this place to feel totally confident that I can walk anywhere within these precincts, anywhere in the city of Ottawa or anywhere in this country without having to endure the kind of schoolyard bully tactics which these members have shown. Because they do not have the ability to stand here and debate an issue they attempt to attack and intimidate members in this place.

I believe that my privileges have been violated by both of these violent Reform members and I would like them to apologize.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

I want to make it absolutely clear that if any member is threatened anywhere within the precincts of parliament it is indeed a very serious matter. It is indeed a case of privilege. It will not be taken lightly and should not be taken lightly. A very serious accusation has been made by the member for Mississauga West. It will be dealt with in a very serious manner.

If there are any other members who wish to intervene, I would invite them to do so right now. We will start with the member for Okanagan—Shuswap.

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Reform

Darrel Stinson Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Mr. Speaker, I am one of the members he is talking about. What happened outside is that nobody made any threats to the member over there. As we were standing there he walked by us and called us bigots. He also said that he would like us to do something physically to his body that normally you would only have a female person do if you were heterosexual. I took great exception to that. When he walked in the door I asked him to come back out to finish the discussion.

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An hon. member

Was it physical?

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Reform

Darrel Stinson Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

No, it was not, and there were lots of witnesses out there. I want everybody in the House to know that what the hon. member did out there was a total disgrace to any member of parliament.

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Reform

John Williams St. Albert, AB

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the comments you made from the chair, but the member who raised the question of privilege failed to indicate that he would move the appropriate motion. Therefore, having received the caution which you have given to all members of the House, I think the matter should now rest.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

I thank the hon. member for St. Albert for his sage advice. I will recognize the hon. member for Blackstrap.

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Reform

Allan Kerpan Blackstrap, SK

Mr. Speaker, I certainly would agree with you that it is the privilege of a member of this House to feel quite comfortable and secure when walking on the grounds or in the House. I completely agree with you.

In response to the member's accusation, I would point out that indeed there were many witnesses in front when this heated discussion took place, and that goes without saying. I believe there would be people out there who would say that the member for Mississauga West was in fact the first to open the discussion, if you want to call it that.

I would ask the House, on my behalf, to remind the member for Mississauga West that he should be very careful with accusations that I believe are false.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

Are there any other members who have anything to add to this?

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Liberal

Steve Mahoney Mississauga West, ON

You're a liar, Stinson.

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Reform

Darrel Stinson Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Did you hear that, Mr. Speaker?

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

Order, please. We are going to try to resolve this right now. The first thing we are going to do is ask the hon. member for Mississauga West to withdraw the most recent comment which had to do with calling another member a liar. Would the hon. member for Mississauga West please do so immediately?

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5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Steve Mahoney Mississauga West, ON

Mr. Speaker, out of respect for you, sir, I do.

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The Acting Speaker (Mr. McClelland)

We will now consider the other very serious matter. This will be taken under advisement. However, I would ask, given the fact that we are all adults, that Private Members' Business proceed for the next hour. I would ask all hon. members concerned to take a step back, to go behind the curtains and resolve this issue as the gentlemen, gentlewomen and distinguished leaders that we are.

I will be quite happy to take this up again. I will bring forward a position before the end of Private Members' Business today.

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Reform

John Williams St. Albert, AB

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. While the member who raised the point of privilege felt it was a serious issue, he did not specifically seek any redress. He did not say that he would move any particular motion.