Under Mr. Trudeau, exactly. That is not a problem. When we have a mortgage on a house, it might be a mortgage of $25,000, which is all right, but we have to realize that it was Michael Wilson and the Conservative government that took that small mortgage of $168 billion and made it $500 billion plus.
We have to realize that in eight short years those turkeys put this country's finances down the tubes and they are willing to stand here today and blame someone else. They are the most inefficient and incompetent people I have ever seen.
I sat on the finance committee and talked to them every day. They chuckled to themselves. I remember when they threw Don Blenkarn out as the chair of the finance committee because he disagreed with what was going on.
When we stop and think about the stupidity that went on, it is not hard to say that they have nowhere to go. All Canadians know it. They sat here and filled this whole side and half of the other side. They had a huge majority government and ended up with a telephone booth of two. They are now trying to come back with 10. Canadians know what they did. The Reform knows what they did too because the Reform called itself a different name. The same policy, different name ran west.