Mr. Speaker, I apologize. I would simply point out that if we are going to have a meaningful discussion about the top issue on Canadian's minds, it is important that we are really engaged in it with, as my colleague said, some meaty proposals on the table and some real solutions to a situation that is obviously of concern to everyone. Even though the Senate has done yeomen's work over about two years to put some very strong proposals on the table, which I have laid out in my speech, they are not even being talked about on the other side.
If we are going to have a meaningful debate, if we are going to get serious about fixing and reinvigorating the most important social program in our country, then I would say that it is up to the government, which called this debate, to have something of substance to put forward for the consideration of Canadians and of the House. I say shame on the government for simply throwing the subject open without taking any leadership at all on this important subject.