House of Commons Hansard #145 of the 37th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was pornography.

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5:15 p.m.

The Acting Speaker (Ms. Bakopanos)

Pursuant to order made on Tuesday, October 21, 2003, the House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the opposition motion standing in the name of Mr. Gauthier.

Call in the members.

After the taking of the vote:

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5:50 p.m.

Canadian Alliance

Dale Johnston Wetaskiwin, AB

Mr. Speaker, I think you would find that the heritage minister voted, although she did not come into the House until well after the question was called and voting was well underway.

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5:55 p.m.

The Speaker

Could the Minister of Canadian Heritage clarify for the Chair whether she was in the House when the question was put to the House?

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5:55 p.m.

Liberal

Sheila Copps Hamilton East, ON

Mr. Speaker, I was under the impression that the question had been put when I came in, but if not, I would be happy to withdraw my vote.

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5:55 p.m.

The Speaker

Order, please. All hon. members know that the rules require that members be in the House when the question is put to the House if they are to vote on the matter. If the Minister of Canadian Heritage is saying that she was not here when the question was put but came in later, there may be some difficulty with her vote and it may be disallowed. I am seeking clarification on the point.

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October 28th, 2003 / 5:55 p.m.

Liberal

Sheila Copps Hamilton East, ON

Mr. Speaker, I was under the impression that there would be several votes and I arrived in the middle of a vote. Therefore I am here for the next vote. I am happy to withdraw my vote if it is a problem.

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5:55 p.m.

The Speaker

The vote of the hon. Minister of Canadian Heritage will be disallowed on this vote but she is here for the subsequent votes.

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5:55 p.m.

Canadian Alliance

Ken Epp Elk Island, AB

Mr. Speaker, I draw to your attention Standing Order 21 which states:

No Member is entitled to vote upon any question in which he or she has a direct pecuniary interest, and the vote of any Member so interested will be disallowed.

I waited until the members actually voted before I raised this question. I was hoping to have raised it before the vote was called. In my 10 years in this place I have never seen a vote that more closely fits that definition. I therefore request that you enforce the provision of Standing Order 21 and disallow the votes of the Prime Minister and the member for LaSalle—Émard.

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5:55 p.m.

Liberal

Don Boudria Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

Mr. Speaker, that is not at all the definition of the standing order in question. The pecuniary interest referred to has to do with voting on a bill before the House in which an hon. member would have ownership of an issue where they would gain financially.

This has nothing to do with the issue before the House. If it had--

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh.

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5:55 p.m.

The Speaker

Order, please. The hon. member for Elk Island made his point of order and the member is entitled to respond.

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Liberal

Don Boudria Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

If it had, Mr. Speaker, those who proposed to defeat the government on this motion of non-confidence and replace the government with themselves would similarly be out of order by voting on it at all.

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5:55 p.m.

The Speaker

I think the point made by the hon. member for Elk Island, while no doubt interesting, is not a valid point. He will know that members are entitled to vote on matters relating to their salaries and bills that affect those things. It is tough to argue that this has anything to do with that kind of direct pecuniary interest.

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Progressive Conservative

John Herron Fundy Royal, NB

Mr. Speaker, I came into the chamber late, after the question was put, so my vote should be disallowed as well.

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5:55 p.m.

The Speaker

I thank the hon. member.

(The House divided on the motion, which was negatived on the following division:)