House of Commons Hansard #106 of the 38th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was social.

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Child Care
Oral Question Period

2:40 p.m.

Conservative

Rona Ambrose Edmonton—Spruce Grove, AB

Mr. Speaker, the premier of New Brunswick is clearly listening to parents. He has said that he will not sign any day care deal with the Prime Minister unless it supports all choices for parents. However, today we have learned again that the Liberals will not support choice in child care.

The Minister of Social Development has said that New Brunswick will get no day care money unless it only supports the Liberal plan. Why will the minister not listen to the parents in New Brunswick who are asking for choice in child care?

Child Care
Oral Question Period

2:40 p.m.

York Centre
Ontario

Liberal

Ken Dryden Minister of Social Development

Mr. Speaker, as the hon. member knows, we have signed agreements with five provinces at this point. Our officials agreed with the officials of New Brunswick in terms of a deal with New Brunswick, but no agreement has been signed. As we have made clear to the provinces and to the territories, the $5 billion over five years is for regulated early learning and child care according to the quad principles.

Child Care
Oral Question Period

2:40 p.m.

Conservative

Rona Ambrose Edmonton—Spruce Grove, AB

Mr. Speaker, it is clear that the Liberal day care plan is a two tier program, money for a few and none for most. I do not know how the minister can justify giving money to some parents and none to others.

Why are the Liberals continuing to support a two tier day care program?

Child Care
Oral Question Period

2:40 p.m.

York Centre
Ontario

Liberal

Ken Dryden Minister of Social Development

Mr. Speaker, as the hon. member knows, this program is for everyone across the country. I might remind the hon. member that the only voices that we heard from the other side came in the last election campaign, a $2,000 tax credit that would have the effect--

Child Care
Oral Question Period

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Some hon. members

More, more.

Child Care
Oral Question Period

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The Speaker

Order, please. The members are going to get more. The minister has at least 10 seconds remaining in the time for his answer and it appears he is going to say more. We will want to be able to hear it.

Child Care
Oral Question Period

2:40 p.m.

Liberal

Ken Dryden York Centre, ON

Clearly, Mr. Speaker, the side opposite is very proud of the fact that the $2,000 tax credit which was--

Child Care
Oral Question Period

2:40 p.m.

The Speaker

Order, please. I am afraid the 10 seconds did get used up, all but one or two. There is not enough time left I am afraid for more from the minister, but I am sure there will be other questions.

Member for Newton—North Delta
Oral Question Period

2:40 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Guay Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Mr. Speaker, when the government tried to influence the vote of the member for Newton—North Delta, the Minister of Health said:

In fact, cabinet can be arranged right away. For the other, you don’t want to lose the advantage.

How can the Prime Minister continue to deny everything, when not only did his chief of staff make promises, but his Minister of Health, on the eve of a confidence vote, said such a thing to a Conservative member in an attempt to persuade him to vote with the government? Is that not precisely what we call influencing the vote of an MP in exchange for consideration?

Member for Newton—North Delta
Oral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Vancouver South
B.C.

Liberal

Ujjal Dosanjh Minister of Health

Mr. Speaker, I have already said that the member for Newton--North Delta made demands. They were not accepted. No offers were made.

The problem with the tapes is that they appear to be edited, spliced and excised. Audio is hard to hear. The English transcription is very deficient. The Punjabi translation is even worse. The fact is that there is very little credibility attached to those tapes.

Member for Newton—North Delta
Oral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Guay Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Health went on to say, “The Minister of Public Works was made parliamentary secretary, that thing cannot be ruled out. That, the Prime Minister can say to you or not. If that cannot happen right now, that will be done in two or four weeks. You do understand that, right?”

How can the Prime Minister continue to claim that this was not an attempt to buy a member's vote on the eve of a crucial vote here in the House?

Member for Newton—North Delta
Oral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Vancouver South
B.C.

Liberal

Ujjal Dosanjh Minister of Health

Mr. Speaker, the member for Newton--North Delta approached us and made demands. They were rebuffed. No offers were made. None were accepted by us. We basically told the hon. member he could cross the floor and we would be welcoming him. He did not. That is why he is not on this side of the House.

Member for Newton—North Delta
Oral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Bloc

Michel Gauthier Roberval, QC

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister's chief of staff goes much further. He said:

I think, as you will see, the PM will say we are not offering and making no offers. And I think that is the narrative we have to stick to it. Or make the PM a liar.

Is that not precisely the narrative the Prime Minister and his ministers have been using from the beginning, confirming the taped conversations? What are we to think of such behaviour?

Member for Newton—North Delta
Oral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Hamilton East—Stoney Creek
Ontario

Liberal

Tony Valeri Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister has been clear. He was aware that his office had been approached and that the member wanted to cross the floor. He approached wanting to cross the floor. The MP did not cross the floor. There was no meeting set up with the Prime Minister. In fact, the member tried to strike a deal. There was no offer made. The hon. member is supposed to be sitting somewhere over there, but I am not quite sure where.

Member for Newton—North Delta
Oral Question Period

2:45 p.m.

Bloc

Michel Gauthier Roberval, QC

Mr. Speaker, I maintain that on the tape the Minister of Health and the Prime Minister's chief of staff are implying to the hon. member that they will offer him a position, using the Minister of Public Works as an example, saying it would take some time, but it would work out, saying everything the hon. member would want to hear to make him cross the floor. I would say that is an offence under section 119 of the Criminal Code. Trying to influence the vote of a member of Parliament is very serious.