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  • His favourite word was quebec.

Last in Parliament May 2004, as Independent MP for Chambly (Québec)

Won his last election, in 2000, with 50% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Pearson International Airport Agreements Act May 9th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, my colleagues of the Bloc Quebecois have tried to demonstrate with the only tool at their disposal, the Nixon Report, that what could be referred to as the "Lester B. Pearson Airport affair" was in fact a financial venture cooked up by the closest friends of both this government and the previous one. "Money has no smell". We have all heard that proverb as old as the Liberal and the Progressive Conservative Parties. I would even add that it has no colour either.

Things happen without anybody or almost anybody opposite raising any question, because this is part of political tradition. If you wander through a foul-smelling swamp, after a while, you can no longer smell a thing.

When I say that money has no colour, I am pointing to the fact that some of the wealthiest Canadian businessmen were caught backing both horses in the federal political raceway, the blue and the red, to the great displeasure of the Liberals who believed in the exclusivity of their audience with these partisan patrons.

The names of top-ranking civil servants and politicians have been mentioned as important if not pivotal players in the monumental blunder that was the Pearson Airport deal. It is needless to twist the knife in the Liberal wounds by mentioning names like those of the Metcalfes, the Withers, the Hessions and the Kolbers, all well-placed and well-known people who used for their own purposes the experience they acquired while holding very well paid functions.

The values of our society have been quite disrupted in the last few decades; people are valued more for their money than for their moral values.

Canadian political practices are such that people maintain their reputation in spite of the most scandalous attempts to rob the government, with the most brazen impunity. Has the election process become a game of musical chairs where, without further ado, one party replaces another but keeps the same spirit, proceeds the same way to the benefit of the same mentors?

Is there an unwritten rule according to which preceding and new governments pass on power to one another without attacking each other? Does nothing offend the party in power or make it shudder when its own investigator, Mr. Nixon, reveals strange facts, secret dealings, people operating in secrecy and anonymity? By itself, Mr. Nixon's report should have given rise to the worst apprehensions.

Millions of dollars disappear and fall by chance into the pockets of the regime's best friends. Still, no one is shocked, no one is concerned, it is part of the game, that is all.

How much of our national debt has found itself by chance in the bank accounts of the regime's friends? Sleep soundly, Liberals, because Statistics Canada, the Conference Board, Quebec's Conseil du patronat, among others, are not interested in compiling such statistics; our society has not reached that point yet.

Our society and political parties are not even aware that top civil servants or former ministers profit from an expertise acquired at taxpayers' expense, after, in most cases, having received substantial severance bonuses as well as the traditional gold watch and farewell party.

A farewell that is rather short. As soon as they get down Parliament Hill, these people who have been members of political caucuses, know the tendencies of some, the weaknesses of others, the legal loopholes, the traps to avoid or to set off; these people sell their knowledge, which should belong to the Canadian people.

The surest way to prevent these back-room games is to forbid all tax deductions for lobbyist or canvassing expenses, as the Minister of Transport himself said.

If society sees nothing wrong in that, can we blame our leaders for not being offended by it? The opposition will not neglect its mandate. The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing. Liberals too, have reasons of which the people know nothing, reasons that no government should have. Things then get very complicated. That is what the Liberals want: they

want to thwart all our efforts to discover the truth and they want to leave the House in the dark.

Nearly half the members in this House did what they could in good faith with a piece of legislation that can almost be described as a political obscenity or even legislative pornography. In this seemingly odious approach to peace-buying, they tried, in keeping with their mandate, to understand the reasons behind this bill, the remedy it sought, and the reason for that remedy.

It is hard to understand the stubbornness of the government in view of what seems to be the boldest attempt to misappropriate public funds in decades.

Neither the Official Opposition nor the Reform Party are trying to bring disrepute to any people,and they do not want to engage in witch-hunting or blame people who acted in good faith. Most of the suspicion here stems from the reluctance of the government to answer legitimate questions.

The relentlessness with which the government tries to avoid anything that could irritate any of the players in this miserable affair can only generate confusion and fear. The official opposition and the Reform Party also, undoubtedly, would be pleased to make amends if it turned out that our suspicions, which the Liberal Party seeks so eagerly to dispel, could not and should not touch our most respectable citizens who are involved in this unfortunate deal.

Our Parliament has certain powers that are sometimes similar to judicial powers in the sense that, when a court makes a decision, it must not only be fair but also be seen to be fair. It is the same thing for our laws; the ones that are voted here must not only be fair but also be seen to be fair. The perennial character of laws makes them offensive when they are compromising in nature and their observance is somewhat uncertain.

History will soon judge their authors, often while they are still alive. A book recently published in Quebec did not wait out the thirty-year prescription to attach to a politician who is alive and well the attribute of "cheater".

Why these hesitations, why so much reluctance on the part of the party in office? Does it not agree, as it is stating, that any inquiry would only dispel any suspicion? But precisely there is suspicion; so let us treat it as we should and everyone's conscience will be eased.

Jean de La Fontaine (1621-1695), a renown writer of fables, undoubtedly a Liberal lobbyist, was hated by Louis XIV but, as any good lobbyist having managed to get around the problem, became a protégé of Fouquet and of the duchess of Orléans.

His easy access was guaranteed, which allowed him to describe so well the lobbies of his time in the famous tale entitled Les Animaux malades de la peste .

They were not all dying from it, but all were stricken, so that in caucus, it was decided that the biggest sinner would be sacrificed to expiate the sins of all the others.

The lion admitted to have eaten some sheep on a few occasions, even the shepherd sometimes; the donkey, whose only sin was to have grazed in the neighbour's meadow, was immediately found guilty and sacrificed.

Does that anecdote not remind you of a story that happened here recently? A little effort, Liberal gentlemen.

In a modest flight of oratory, the Prime Minister showed the door to one of his MPs, who had committed the big blunder of being imprecise in writing his resume. On that occasion, the Prime Minister's sensitive scruples suggested that he would change things. But it seems that will not happen.

For his unforgivable, reprehensible sin, the culprit was executed without further ado.

Does the party have two value systems? One for its intimate funders and other close relatives, the other one for plebeians, the unemployed and welfare recipients?

I think we can assume that La Fontaine knew what he was talking about when he said: "la raison du plus fort est encore la meilleure".

Pearson International Airport Agreements Act April 26th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I want to congratulate the member who just spoke because his comments are very much to the point.

Since the hon. member is also in favour of setting up a royal inquiry commission, I want to ask him if he agrees with the Liberal member who said earlier that the costs related to such a commission would be somewhere around $27 million.

Pearson International Airport Agreements Act April 26th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I would like to commend the hon. member for York South-Weston for his frankness and courage. Unfortunately, we have not observed the same qualities in all members of the party opposite.

I would like to ask the hon. member if he thinks, based on his experience, which I have tremendous respect for, because he has been in this House for a long time now and his reputation and honesty are well established, and based on the legislative program presented to us or which we can expect, if we will have a chance, as the hon. member for Thunder Bay-Nipigon said earlier, to review this whole Pearson Airport saga, especially when the famous legislation on conflicts of interest or lobbies on Parliament Hill is presented. In any case, it is rather hard to get an idea of what kind of legislation is coming, but I think that

he knows to what legislation I am referring. Does he think that we will then be able to deal with all that, as the hon. member for Thunder Bay-Nipigon said?

Pearson International Airport Agreements Act April 26th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I have trouble understanding the comments made by the hon. member for Thunder Bay-Nipigon. He seems in complete agreement with what has been said on this side of the House since this morning. The Canadian people, and the Quebec people among others, can testify to the barely concealed and unconcealable embarrassment of the speakers from the party in office with regard to Bill C-22.

We are told: "There has been scheming; acts that would otherwise be unquestionably criminal have been committed by politicians and business people. But let us forget about that, so that Toronto airport can be developed. Let us forget about all that and stop talking about it, as it does not make things move forward". Is this case as urgent today as it was on October 7? What is preventing us from getting to the bottom of this and looking at the facts? Is it the urgency of it, as the hon. member for Thunder Bay-Nipigon is telling me?

I understand the urgent need, at some point, to resolve this issue, but the members opposite seem to be trying to hide behind convoluted language and they almost get away with it. Some things need to be clarified. We must clear things up.

Why do they not want to clear things up? If no serious impropriety has been committed in this case, unlike what Mr. Nixon says in his report, the Canadian people will at least feel that the government then in office and the current government acted in their interest. Why refuse at all costs to get to the bottom of this?

I ask the hon. member for Thunder Bay-Nipigon to try to justify this behaviour, if he thinks he is still strong enough to do it.

Pearson International Airport Agreements Act April 26th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, I am more inclined to endorse the recommendations of the hon. member who spoke before the Reform member. I wonder which principles come into play. I can understand that there may have been companies which unfortunately entered in good faith into negotiations or made some kind of deal with T1 T2 Partnership Limited. But, getting back to what the Liberal member was saying, what reason would we have for compensating individuals who were truly involved in some kind of scheme against the government?

If a group of criminals spends a substantial amount of money plotting to rob a bank and then screws up, the bank is not about to compensate those people for the costs incurred in the planning of the robbery. That is the principle I am having trouble understanding. I hope that the Reform member is not trying to tell me that we would be better off paying compensation to avoid lawsuits from foreign companies. Is that what he is suggesting?

Pearson International Airport Agreements Act April 26th, 1994

Mr. Speaker, there seems to be some confusion. I answered the question. The member for Mississauga spoke after me on that.

Pearson International Airport Agreements Act April 26th, 1994

Madam Speaker, I said it before, and I will say it again, the Liberals understand what is grist to their mill and acts in their favour. When they present their bill, their code of ethics, it will not be appropriate to bring up past cases. The member who asked the question is well aware of that. He is trying to ensnare me. He knows that we will not be able to mention the Pearson airport deal when his government finally decides to present its bill.

We will debate the essence of the bill, its strengths and weaknesses, which I expect will be many. But we will not be allowed to talk about the maneuvering that preceded the Toronto airport deal. Being a lot more experienced, he knows that better than me. I cannot understand why the Liberals who, during the election campaign, opposed this deal which was in the process of being completed, are now very sheepish, having realized since October 7, when the contract was signed, that some of their friends were involved in that deal. Does this explain the compensation under clause 10?

Pearson International Airport Agreements Act April 26th, 1994

Madam Speaker, the bill before the House is needed because of the context in which certain agreements were signed concerning the redevelopment and operation of terminals 1 and 2 at the Toronto international airport. The findings of the Nixon report commissioned by the Prime Minister speak for themselves.

"My review has left me with but one conclusion. To leave in place an inadequate contract, arrived at with such flawed process and under the shadow of possible political manipulation, is unacceptable. I recommend to you that the contract be cancelled".

If this bill is needed to cancel all agreements with T1 T2 Limited Partnership, any responsible government must look into the reasons why we are in this dilemma.

Our gracious Majesty had dealings with unknown persons whose identity is still shrouded in mystery. As recommended by the Nixon report, the Crown must unilaterally cancel those agreements because it was misled by her main counsellors and agents at the end of the 34th Parliament. We will try to explain to the House the role played by certain parties. It will then become clear why they want to remain unknown.

The Nixon report is particularly harsh with those responsible for the signing of those agreements. It is not impossible that very influential people wielded that influence improperly and in a way which is detrimental to the Canadian heritage. According to the Nixon report, there was very high level influence peddling.

If this House has reached the point where it is going to ignore the consensual principle and have our dear monarch lose face by unilaterally cancelling an agreement, I think it is because the Crown was very poorly advised.

What was the rush for a clearly moribund government to pass such contracts privatizing the only profitable air terminals in the country, thus binding for a long time, the next 57 years in fact, future Canadian governments, when the then-Leader of the Opposition and present Prime Minister of Canada cautioned the government not to conclude these deals before the election of October 25, 1993, and even warned that he would cancel the whole thing?

Before the deal was finalized, the future Prime Minister said publicly and warned the parties that he would not hesitate to cancel all that. Following this declaration, the government's chief negotiator in this case asked for written instructions before signing the contracts. On October 7, 1993, the then-Prime Minister, through an internal memo, insisted on the signing being done the same day. During the final phase of negotiations, certain top-ranking civil servants involved asked for a transfer because they were not sure that they were acting correctly.

Can we associate this move with the 500 partisan appointments made about the same time of close friends of the regime which was then collapsing? It is not improbable.

Not only a lot of money was lost because of all what had to be spent in this voluminous case, which some of my colleagues will address later, but it dealt a severe blow to the principles of transparency and honesty. I did not invent any of this; it is all in the Nixon report.

By taking lightly the whole development of an industry of the future which cost Canadians a lot of money, the government seemed to the people to be out to grab what it could, and this is serious, coming from what must be the most honest and upright of our democratic institutions.

The government of the 34th Parliament acted like a real scrounger, thus tarnishing the image Canadians had of it. The verdict rendered a few days later leaves no doubt in this regard.

We also learn in the Nixon report that our government even willingly colluded to deprive the Government of Ontario of its right to $10 million under the land transfer law of this province.

A responsible governement cannot afford to have two different sets of laws: one for itself and another for the citizens. In the past, several forceful rulings by the highest court of the land have reminded us of it in no uncertain terms. But we can see now the unbearable consequences of the former government's doings: unilaterally cancelling a contract is almost indecent.

Ordinary citizens cannot resort to what is called in French "dol", that is fraud by deceit, to seek the cancellation of a contract, except in Quebec, of course, where that procedure is allowed under the new Civil Code. Once more our beautiful province has shown her clearsightedness and sense of innovation, as opposed to some provinces that are incapable of changing their traditional vision of this country.

But I digress, Mr. Speaker. I want to come back to Bill C-22 which reflects poorly on the crown from a legal as well as factual point of view.

Common law principles do not allow ordinary citizens to resort to "dol" and case law has not changed in that regard.

To lose face, Mr. Speaker, is not too strong a way of putting it. How could Her gracious Majesty resort to "dol" to cancel that contract, when she is so well advised by the largest firm of legal advisors, the Public Service of Canada?

Her Majesty must surely not be very happy with what is happening right now. If it had not been for her unlimited authority, Her Majesty would have been had. Fortunately, as we were taught during the first term of our BA in law, the only thing the crown cannot do is to change a man into a woman, and I would add "and even that remains to be seen".

The Queen can do no wrong. It is because of this principle of common law, so dear to our fellow citizens across the floor, that this fool's deal can still be cancelled and its effects avoided, thank God.

Earlier, I was wondering how come we had gotten there. I agree that we should cancel for all intents and purposes the agreements concerning terminals 1 and 2 of Pearson airport, but I do not want this to be done at the expense of our public servants. It is understandable that we would want to hold the previous government responsible, as this government always does, but I would advise the Liberals against casting the first stone because the Conservatives just pushed a bit farther the puck that had been put into play by their predecessors.

What does the government intend to do, to avoid further insults of this kind to our beloved sovereign? In its famous red book, the party now in power, rightly criticizing the agreements reached a few days before election day on October 25, had definitely promised Canadian taxpayers to introduce a bill which would have the effect of restricting lobbying activities on Parliament Hill. Did it keep its promise? Not at all.

The present Prime Minister and member from Saint-Maurice had promised us legislation governing lobbyists' activities on Parliament Hill. This legislation has yet to come.

In the daily Le Droit of March 21, David Zussman, in charge of the lobbying issue for the Prime Minister, said regarding the introduction of such legislation that, although the principles were clear, it sometimes takes more time to write the rules than to agree on the principles. He also said that there are so many elements and so many players in all of this that it will require much more time than one could have imagined.

There is reason to be confused, especially when one remembers that the Prime Minister, when given a rough ride in his own riding, said recently that it was all in the red book, that one had only to read between the lines.

Good legislation must be clear, concise, and precise. Its principles must be clear and not be subject to interpretation. Its scope must not be mitigated in any way neither by the number of people concerned nor their political or social status. If such legislation is written on the basis of the corporative interests of all the friends of the government, it can only be legislation difficult to write, evasive, permissive and easy to circumvent. It becomes questionable legislation. Must we understand that this is the kind of difficulty that the government is having with the development of this bill at this time?

The Pearson airport contracts were awarded in its last days by the former government, when it felt the carpet slipping under its feet. What does the government intend to do to protect itself against such a temptation at the end of its present mandate? I trust that such a vision of the future will not dictate that it uses the same self-control as it is using in the development of its code of ethics.

Could the present government, which is as alike as two peas in a pod as its predecessor, not reassure our dear sovereign, Canadians and Quebecers that such absurd actions as those that were perpetrated by the previous government with regard to the Toronto airport will not likely occur again?

Those divine banquets at $3,000 per person, which were attended by the most powerful members of the present government and the Senate, and those brunches at $1,000 per person, that is where the main activities of the most powerful lobbyists are likely to occur, because the Prime Minister's eloquence alone cannot justify such an investment.

Far be it from me to cast aspersions on our Prime Minister. After all, his political longevity is proof positive of his integrity. However, I think we can say the Prime Minister was being a little careless about his image when he appointed Robert Wright, a Liberal fundraiser from away back, to negotiate the cancellation of the agreement on privatization of the air terminals in Toronto, especially when we realize that Mr. Wright, who has many qualifications, was the Prime Minister's fundraiser during his campaign for the leadership of the Liberal Party in 1984.

Section 10 of the bill before the House today says that, if the Minister considers it appropriate, he may enter into agreements on behalf of Her Majesty to provide for the payment of such amounts as the Minister considers appropriate in connection with the coming into force of this act. That is what it says.

This provision adds insult to injury. Not only did Her august Majesty get the short end of the stick in these agreements, she will also have to deal with the fall-out that will come as a result of this legislation. Is the government again using Her long suffering Majesty to get several million dollars for its friends?

Far be it from me to cast any doubts on the integrity of the Minister of Transport who, I am sure, is capable of exercising his discretionary powers with the requisite honesty and restraint, but I think this is a truly herculean task which we cannot reasonably ask him to perform.

Those who dealt with the government in this particular matter had been warned by the present Prime Minister that the deal was a dead end and that, if the Liberal Party came to power, the contracts would be cancelled. That is why the government negotiator asked for instructions before proceeding with the signing of the agreements. Those who dealt with the government were aware of all the implications. They gambled, and they lost. Moral turpitude is not a defence.

In any case, the parties to these contracts never lost money in their dealings with the government in power, and for reasons I mentioned earlier, I wonder on what ethical grounds we would owe them anything at all.

Throughout my speech, I consciously and purposely used the terms "Majesty", "Sovereign", "Queen", and the "Crown". The people in this House know that when we refer to Her Majesty, we are talking about the people of this country, which means all Canadians. But do Canadians realize this? Do they realize that they also got the short end of the stick?

Do the citizens of this country realize that the Toronto airport deal is only the tip of the iceberg? For 127 years, for as long as the Canadian federation has existed, the citizens of this country thought they owned this country and were the masters of its destiny. A cold, northern country, very austere, but a country of the strong, the brave and the adventurous. Those who chose it did so out of love, because they had a dream to build a life and were prepared to suffer, to forego sun and heat and make do with very little, but always with a great love for the land.

They were exploited by foreign fur traders, misled by power-hungry or simply money-grubbing politicians, leading a life of few dreams and limited prospects. What are we going to leave our children? Six, seven, eight, nine hundred billion dollars worth of debt!

I am ashamed, Mr. Speaker, ashamed. Why? Because I am part of the generation who made off with the cashbox. I inherited a beautiful, clean country, and in less than 50 years, see what I have done, see what will be left for the next generations: a country burdened with debt, polluted, dirty, torn apart by sorry politicians who cared only for their personal comfort.

This country has been ruined by greed, vandalized by those who feel no loyalty to any country, by mudsucking tadpoles, by well-educated politicians who lack vision and are blinded by their personal ambitions.

A great philosopher once said: it is not the last drop that makes the cup overflow, but the first one. It is true.

The Toronto airport could very well be the last drop. There is too much doubt, too much confusion here, as well as too many mistakes, for us not to start asking questions.

In this whole mess, some senior officials resigned, others asked to be transferred, and others said nothing for fear of retaliation. The operation was so gross that only those few who had absolute authority thought they were untouchable.

The steamroller was in motion. They were marching on against all common sense and advice; greed had no limits, the project was the only purpose and cupidity ruled.

Proud people were made into servants, honest ones were made deceitful and truthful ones turned into liars. Things have to change, this country must regain its dignity, regain respect and redefine its aspirations; most of all, it must re-establish the rule of law. That is why we must immediately, even at the risk of collectively hurting ourselves, revive justice and pride to give hope once again to those who follow; we must take our destiny into our own hands.

Consequently, we must immediately set up a royal commission to inquire into the Pearson Airport deal and we must implement its recommendations. We must put a stop to false bidding and allow Canadians, including Quebecers, to regain their sense of pride and dignity. The nobility of the principles of equality, fraternity and justice must be restored. This way, perhaps we could considerably reduce disputes between Quebec and Ottawa. Perhaps people could understand that Quebecers who choose emancipation have decided to free themselves from this kind of socioeconomic and financial colonialism that holds too many Canadians hostages.

Que bene annat, bene castigat, or "spare the rod and spoil the child". This age-old latin maxim is still valid today. If our Prime Minister is tabling Bill C-22 for honest reasons, if he wants to restore the principles of justice in this country, he must proclaim now the appointment of a royal commission of inquiry on Terminals 1 and 2 in Toronto. The conclusions of the commissioners will allow us to prosecute all those who are at fault, as rich as they may be, under one justice, honourable and righteous, the justice of Canadians.

Pearson International Airport Agreements Act April 26th, 1994

I have been listening very carefully to the remarks made by the hon. member who just sat down.

Throughout his remarks, he spoke of cancellation: cancellation of contracts, cancellation of agreements. I have some difficulty understanding that Bill C-22 is in fact a piece of legislation which cancels something since, in law, in Quebec as everywhere else in Canada I suppose, nothing leads to nothing. It is clear that if something is null it was nothing to begin with, and cannot lead to something.

Bill C-22 declares that the agreements are null, and that they are nothing, but on the other hand, the government wants to breathe life into that nothingness, so to speak.

With Section 10, indeed, they want to compensate friends of the government that might have benefitted from this whole scheme. That is my first question.

The hon. member who just sat down said that he does not understand much of what the Bloc Quebecois is saying, that it is using the piece of legislation we are currently considering, to address the issue of lobbying. Since this morning, I have the feeling that the Liberals understand what they want to understand and prefer to ignore what is not convenient for them. There has been some strange goings-on with regard to this whole scheme. We do not say so; it is the Nixon Report that says so. There have been some very unusual dealings in this matter by friends of this government as well as friends of the previous government.

I doubt that any future legislation on lobbying will prevent the sort of thing that happened last fall. Any such new legislation, should the Prime Minister ever introduce it, will hopefully regulate the activities of lobbyists. As for the past, I am surprised by the attitude of the Liberals, who are saying: "We are cancelling all that, we want to do it in a hurry, but we do not want to harm anybody, we do not want to tarnish anybody's reputation". I find such remarks outrageous in the face of a project such as this one on Toronto airport, where just about the whole investment by Canada would have been handed over to some people, if they had been allowed to do as they pleased. That is all I had to say about the matter. I would like the hon. member to tell me, if he can, whether we are dealing with a cancellation or with the legal recognition of a valid contract, the main players of which are about to be compensated?

Budget Implementation Act, 1994 April 14th, 1994

Madam Speaker, the present government was elected after campaigning on a single theme: "jobs, jobs, jobs". All of us here remember the answers the Prime Minister gave to the questions of his opponents and of the invited guests during the leaders' debate. To all questions the Prime Minister would invariably and tirelessly answer: "jobs, jobs, jobs."

To some of his unemployed constituents who were voicing their disappointment in the riding of Saint-Maurice, the Prime Minister said: "-this was in the red book, they should have read between the lines-" To read between the lines is the role of the opposition, and it will not fail doing so, whether the party opposite likes it or not.

Any budget worthy of that name has to bring, first of all, a degree of confidence into a failing, not to say moribund, economy and to a population also craving security. How do you reconcile the words of the Prime Minister "jobs, jobs, jobs" and the budget of the Minister of Finance? Did the government succeed in giving the degree of confidence it wanted to the financial world, then to investors, and finally to consumers? I doubt it, Madam Speaker.

Considering the figures contained in the budget with regard to social programs, and unemployment insurance in particular, can we say that social demands for security and stability have been met?

The people of Canada and Quebec have the right to expect two things of a social policy with an economic goal: First, job creation and, second, the assurance that the jobs created will be permanent. What kind of jobs were created up to now? The infrastructures program leads to the spending of huge amounts of money for the creation of purely temporary jobs, almost exclusively for men.

I agree that in the short term jobs will be created, but because of the nature of the work being done, this only postpones for a few years the inevitable crisis already obvious. In other words, instead of buying chickens, they prefer to steal them from someone else's henhouse.

What happened to job creation targeting, for example, young people, laid-off workers aged 50 to 65, and young university graduates, to name a few? Madam Speaker, there is absolutely nothing for them in that bill. Instead, the government cut the budget for forestry development by 5 per cent. There is nothing either for young technicians, no structural project to create jobs in companies such as MIL Davie, which could build the ferryboat people in the Magdalen Islands have been waiting for for so long.

There has been great uncertainty created by clause 25, and the freeze of job-creation programs such as DEPs, which, incidentally, we are told, will be managed by a discretionary fund at the Department of Human Resources Development; it smacks of partisanship. The cut in the unemployment insurance premium is postponed till next year, even though the finance minister claimed that dropping the rate from $3.07 to $3.00 would create 40,000 new jobs. Why not create them right away instead of waiting until next January to effect this much talked about drop?

There is a complete unwillingness to discuss the conversion of the defence industry, the HST, and Oerlikon's low-altitude defence system.

Poor Canadians, poor Quebeckers, poor jobless.

Since troubles never come singly, the brand new budget is in a bad way and was off to a poor start from the very beginning.

Interest rates are rising rapidly, the Canadian dollar is falling, which means our foreign debt will cost us even more, and some plants have closed, like Hyundai, in Bromont.

What does the Minister of Finance have to suggest after the fact, since he is really the one who is involved? Nothing, absolutely nothing except to take it out on the jobless, in two different ways: having them contribute longer by increasing the number of weeks required to be eligible, and reducing the number of weeks of benefits.

That is how the government reacts to the requests of citizens, of Canadian and Quebec workers. For my part, I consider that as killing them slowly.

This government will probably be remembered as the one that did the least with the biggest budget. Let us not forget that we have a projected deficit of $39.4 billion. It is not chicken feed!

There is only one law the government should adopt, because it has been enforcing it since the elections, that is, the law of least action.

It would also seem that the Liberals favourite theme line "jobs, jobs, jobs" was for nobody, especially not the heavyweight ministers of this government who systematically refuse to carry out the job of creating jobs.

The eastern provinces are hit harder than any other by the proposed UI changes, with cuts totalling $1.3 billion, and Quebec in particular, with nearly $800 million in cuts. These cuts hurt. That is why the last time changes were made to the UI system more than 50,000 braved bone-chilling weather in January or February 1993 to demonstrate their opposition to the Valcourt reform.

It is both urgent and imperative for the government to have a vision for the society it is governing and to stop applying poultice on a wooden leg by holding consultations which are pointless because of this lack of a global vision of the society of the future.

It is the Prime Minister's duty to assign to key positions people with a vision, with innovative ideas, and capable of seeing that they are implemented instead of choosing people, as seems to be the case at present, based on their support during a certain leadership race.

Again, the unemployed are going to be the ones to pay for the Prime Minister's political debts.

A poet once said that many have died for their ideas, but many more have died for want of ideas!

For all these reasons, my caucus will not hesitate to vote against the bill before us.