Agriculture committee  Thank you, and thanks to both of you for being here. I'll put my watch out here, to make sure I don't talk too much and don't give you a chance to respond.

Agriculture committee  As you're probably aware, my party is reserving judgment on CETA until we see the details of the text. That makes sense when we have any kind of agreement. I have here an op-ed by the president of the National Farmers Union, Terry Boehm, which appeared in the Union Farmer Quarterly in the spring of 2013.

Agriculture committee  I would like your comments on what Terry is saying, because I think that as with any agreement, any regulation, we need to look at the details. He has some questions on UPOV 91. He's talking about the so-called cascading right. He's a farmer also, so that's his point of view. I'm wondering what your point of view would be, as a farmer.

Agriculture committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair. Getting back to Mr. Atamanenko's question about investor protection and ability for other countries to sue us if there's a perceived infraction, you folks will agree that when you're signing a trade deal with another country you always sign a reciprocal type of trade deal wherein we have as much protection as they do and the onus is on both parties to work within the terms that were set out in the trade agreement.

Agriculture committee  Mr. Fitzgerald.

Agriculture committee  That's it. Thank you so much.

Agriculture committee  I wonder who that member is. I don't see him here.

Agriculture committee  Thanks very much. I will go to Mr. Atamanenko. Five minutes, please.

Agriculture committee  Thanks very much to all of you for being here. I've been thinking about this agreement ever since we knew it was coming. We're here to look at the effects of the CETA, both positive and negative, on the agricultural sector, and we appreciate you folks being here to give us your feedback.

Agriculture committee  So you don't mind the fact that American subsidized farmers are selling their milk at a relatively cheap price by the border, whereas in other parts of the United States the price is a lot more, and that brings our consumers to the United States. Is that kind of free trade, with one side being subsidized, okay with you?

Agriculture committee  Thank you very much. Mr. Groeneweg, Madam Krayden, you talked about canola exports to Europe, which is a good thing. We know there might be certain obstacles. We know, for example, that Germany is one country with a ban on the cultivation and sale of GMO maize. I'm not sure about other grains.

Agriculture committee  They probably won't mind.

Agriculture committee  You also mentioned UPOV 1991. You were in agreement with that. Is it not true that plant breeders' rights might then trump farmers' privileges every time, and make it more expensive for farmers, if we introduced UPOV 1991?

Agriculture committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Atamanenko. I'll go now to Mr. Benoit.

Agriculture committee  Thank you, Chair. Thanks to all of you for coming. Ms. Kunin, I have a question for you to start with. You talked about New Zealand and the fact that they have basically rejected all government control or subsidies and they've opened themselves up to the free market. We know that New Zealand is just waiting to get in the door and ship their cheese and dairy products to Canada, and we know we've been able to resist that because of supply management.