Public Safety committee  Yes, Chair. This is to assume expenses for witnesses on our expansion of penitentiaries study. It's $20,000, providing for 15 witnesses at an average of $1,200 per witness, so it's just to cover expenses for witnesses.

Public Safety committee  No, the clause as amended.

Public Safety committee  It's 5 to 5.

Public Safety committee  We can.

Public Safety committee  The schedule is reflected in the minutes of proceedings of the committee. The committee agreed to dates and to subject matters for particular dates and that's reflected in the minutes of proceedings. The minutes are public.

Public Safety committee  Mrs. Mourani, I issued an invitation to Mr. Small, the Assistant Deputy Minister, Adult Correctional Institutions for Ontario's Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services. Early this afternoon, someone in his office called me to say that Mr. Small was declining the in

Public Safety committee  Yes.

Public Safety committee  It is seconded by Mr. Davies. Are there other motions? There being no other motions, I declare Mr. Holland duly elected first vice-chair. (Motion agreed to)

Public Safety committee  The committee will proceed to the election of the second vice-chair, who must be a member from another opposition party. Madame Mourani.

Public Safety committee  Mrs. Mourani has nominated Mr. Davies. Are there other nominations? There being no other nominations, I declare Mr. Davies duly elected second vice-chair of the committee. (Motion agreed to)

Public Safety committee  I would invite Mr. Sorenson to take the chair.

Public Safety committee  Honourable members, I see a quorum. Your first item of business is the election of a chair. I'm ready to receive motions to that effect. Mr. MacKenzie.

Public Safety committee  It is moved by Mr. MacKenzie that Kevin Sorenson be elected chair of the committee. Are there further motions? Madame Mourani.

Public Safety committee  We're not there yet. We're now electing the chair. There being no other motions, I declare Mr. Sorenson duly elected chair of the committee. (Motion agreed to)

Public Safety committee  We'll proceed to the election of the two vice-chairs, the first one being from the official opposition. I'm ready to receive motions to that effect. Mr. MacKenzie, you have the floor.