Public Accounts committee  Sir, I take offence. You've been mentioning that four or five times so far, that my memory doesn't serve me or doesn't serve your answers. Sir, I'm doing my best here to give you all of the information. I'm trying to say what happened when Mr. Cauchon was minister, what happened

Public Accounts committee  No, no. You're not repeating; you're inferring. That's different.

Public Accounts committee  Political questions.... As I said, we wanted to make sure that the minister was willing or not willing to move.

Public Accounts committee  That's right.

Public Accounts committee  Possibly.

Public Accounts committee  As Mr. Gagliano already answered you on a similar approach, it's hard to say, because we weren't there.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, well I believe I read that too, but it's hard to say if we would have done—

Public Accounts committee  Unusual being not a regular thing as programmed within the procedures of the department.

Public Accounts committee  That's correct. And we believe it was part of our responsibility, working for the Minister of Public Works, to make sure that the concerned minister wanted to move--or not.

Public Accounts committee  I gather it would, and if anything, for some reason--

Public Accounts committee  I testified that I dealt with Mrs. Beal, and Mrs. Beal's superior was Mrs. Cochrane. As Mrs. Cochrane said in her own testimony, she never attended any of these meetings because she would only attend meetings where the minister was present, not the political staff.

Public Accounts committee  I have no idea.

Public Accounts committee  I don't know how Mrs. Cochrane got her information. She got her information probably through the people who were subordinate to her own organigramme, in French. I'm sorry, I can't think of the English word.

Public Accounts committee  That's correct.

Public Accounts committee  No. The intervention, as you say, from the minister's office was strictly to ascertain that the client minister was willing to move. For the rest, we didn't get involved in anything else than that.