There is no question that some people actually entered Pakistan or a third country illegally because they had no other means to do so. It's the only way they can actually get away as best they can from the Taliban. We have to recognize that.
For them to be in that third country, for them to fly to Canada, it means a single journey travel document would assist them. Waiving those documentation requirements would assist them. It means waiving the refugee determination requirements which, by the way, they would need if they were to extend their stay in a country such as Pakistan, for example, because the visa in Pakistan would actually expire. All of those things come together.
The minister needs to look at these issues not with tunnel vision but with a broad vision as to the combination of approaches that could be done to assist individuals. Instead of saying that doing this or that won't help, if you did all of these together, it would actually make a difference.
This is what the families are urging the minister to do.
I'm quickly running out of time, but I also want to ask this: Has the minister considered women athletes as women leaders? None of them have been able to get access to come to Canada safely.