Evidence of meeting #18 for Special Committee on the Canadian Mission in Afghanistan in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was afghanistan.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Greta Bossenmaier  Deputy Minister, Afghanistan Task Force, Privy Council Office
Gordon Venner  Assistant Deputy Minister, Afghanistan, Middle East and Maghreb, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Françoise Ducros  Vice-President, Afghanistan Task Force, Canadian International Development Agency
Robert Davidson  Director of Staff, Strategic Joint Staff, Department of National Defence
Jill Sinclair  Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy, Department of National Defence

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

I'd like to bring this meeting to order. This is the Special Committee on the Canadian Mission in Afghanistan, meeting number 18.

Today we're continuing our study on the Canadian mission in Afghanistan. We'd like to welcome as witnesses to our committee the deputy minister of the Afghanistan task force, Mrs. Greta Bossenmaier; the assistant deputy minister for Afghanistan, the Middle East, and Maghreb, Mr. Gordon Venner; the vice-president of the Afghanistan task force, Françoise Ducros; the assistant deputy minister of policy from National Defence, Ms. Jill Sinclair; and the director of staff, strategic joint staff, Mr. Robert Davidson.

We welcome all of you. We look forward very much to the assistance you will give us as we continue to study the Canadian mission in Afghanistan. My understanding--

We have a point of order.

3:30 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

Yes. Maybe you were going to say this right now. A lot of the previous discussion here was held in camera, but I think the intent and purpose of having these witnesses here today perhaps should be explained beforehand. We had a specific set of questions that we put to them so that we could understand the state of play for our recommendations.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

I don't think I have to go through all those missions. I think the opening statements should address that, because they were given direction beforehand as to what we're looking for as a committee in terms of the future non-combat role, etc.

3:30 p.m.

NDP

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

I think the point is that what we're looking for is information so that we can make our own recommendations as to what the committee would believe is the priority. We didn't anticipate that the government might be ready to make its own recommendations. We wanted to hear what the current state of affairs was from the point of view of these officials. So I hope that's what we're going to hear.

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Okay. Thank you very much.

I understand that you have an opening statement, Ms. Bossenmaier. You may go ahead whenever you're ready. Thank you.

3:30 p.m.

Greta Bossenmaier Deputy Minister, Afghanistan Task Force, Privy Council Office

I do, Mr. Chair. Thank you very much.

Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and members of the Committee.

Thank you for inviting me and my colleagues here once again regarding Canada's mission and engagement in Afghanistan.

As you know, Canada has approached its engagement in Afghanistan from a whole of government perspective. I am pleased to be joined here today by a number of colleagues from some of the departments and agencies which are contributing in a major way to Canada's engagement in Afghanistan.

The last time I appeared before this committee was prior to your trip to Afghanistan. I am so pleased that all went well during your visit, as I understand it, and most importantly, that you had the opportunity to meet with the dedicated and courageous individuals, both military and civilian, who comprise Canada's team in Afghanistan, and to see first-hand their efforts, their challenges, their environment, and the results being achieved.

They are focused on making a difference each and every day on advancing Canada's priorities in Afghanistan, for which they, and their colleagues who have gone before them, have worked so hard. And they are making a difference.

Your visit and your words of thanks were much appreciated by all involved.

3:30 p.m.

A voice

The bells are ringing.

3:30 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Afghanistan Task Force, Privy Council Office

Greta Bossenmaier

Shall I continue?

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Yes. Go ahead. We'll try to find out what the bells are for.

3:30 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Afghanistan Task Force, Privy Council Office

Greta Bossenmaier

Thank you.

Since my last appearance before this committee, two new quarterly reports to Parliament have been issued by the cabinet committee on Afghanistan. These quarterly reports have reported on the progress being made on Canada's six priorities and three signature projects.

The latest quarterly report covered the period from April to June 2010 and focused on how priorities and projects are supporting the delivery of basic services to Afghans. As Minister Cannon noted in his last appearance, while the situation in Afghanistan remains volatile and challenging, there have been noticeable improvements in a number of key areas. Allow me to highlight a few.

up to 1,800 hectares of land benefitted from improved irrigation as a result of Canada's work on the Dahla dam;

around 400,000 children in Kandahar province received polio vaccinations during two vaccination campaigns;

and Canadian funding helped the UN World Food Programme provide over 15,000 tonnes of food nationally to over two million Afghans.

Furthermore, Canada made advancements in the provision of new health measures for two highly vulnerable groups, pregnant women and children under the age of five, with 78,000 women receiving iron and folic acid supplements, and 140,000 children receiving micronutrient powders.

Because of our efforts and the dedication and commitment of Afghans, there are more police and soldiers protecting Afghan communities and Afghan interests. There are more children in schools, particularly girls. Food crops are replacing the production of opium. Basic governance is taking hold, and basic services are being built.

As ever, we must place our results in context. Afghanistan remains a dynamic and difficult environment.

As well, over the past several months, there have been a number of significant events both in Afghanistan and internationally which have contributed to the current situation in the country and the prospects for the future.

At the London Conference in January, the international community and the Afghan government set a direction toward improving governance, building a stronger connection between the Afghan government and its people, and ensuring Afghanistan's long-term ability to meet its security challenges.

That process continued at the Kabul Conference in June which assessed progress from London and developed concrete plans for continuing improvement.

As well as being the first major international conference hosted and organized by the Afghan government, the Kabul conference also initiated the development of a plan to transfer lead security authority to the Afghan government by 2014. This plan was adopted by the heads of state of the Government of Afghanistan and ISAF contributing countries at their meeting in Lisbon last weekend.

As well during this period, parliamentary elections were held in Afghanistan, the official results of which were announced earlier today. While the international community has taken note of the irregularities and fraud committed, the hard work of the Independent Election Commission and the Electoral Complaints Commission to identify and deal with these problems marks a significant step forward for Afghanistan's electoral institutions. In the coming weeks, a new Parliament will start its work on behalf of the Afghan people, another step forward in Afghanistan's path to improving its democratic governance, and an essential element in Afghanistan's efforts to build stability and sustainable peace.

Also in recent months, while the security situation has certainly remained challenging, the U.S. troop surge has helped achieve progress. The surge has permitted a further refocusing of the Canadian Forces area of operations to critical districts of Panjwayi and Dand.

While the leadership of one ANA kandak, or battalion, trained and mentored by the Canadian Forces has been transferred to support the establishment of new kandaks elsewhere, two new Afghan National Army kandaks arrived in Canada's area of operations in September, and they're now being trained and mentored by Canadian Forces personnel.

Mr. Chair, it's a fact that progress has been challenging. Change has been incremental. But in the midst of conflict and in light of all the obstacles we have faced, we are making progress.

Last week, ministers announced Canada's new role in Afghanistan that will build on significant progress in the areas of security, diplomacy, human rights and development.

Canada's new non-combat role post-2011 will be centered in Kabul and will focus on four key areas, namely: investing in the future of Afghan children and youth through development programming in education and health; advancing security, the rule of law and human rights, including through the provision of up to 950 military trainers and support personnel for Afghan security forces; promoting regional diplomacy; and helping deliver humanitarian assistance to the Afghan people.

Our developmental and humanitarian assistance will be channelled through trusted implementing partners for programs aligned with the priorities of the Afghan government. We will address critical food security and emergency needs through food assistance, disaster preparedness, mine clearance, and education.

Moreover, the rights of women and girls will be a particular cross-cutting focus of all these programs.

In sum, Canada continues to make real progress in Afghanistan, but this work is not yet complete. The objective remains unchanged: to help Afghans build a more secure, stable, and self-sufficient Afghanistan that is no longer a safe haven for terrorists.

My colleagues and I would be pleased to take your questions.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Thank you very much.

I have received instructions here that we're supposed to proceed to the House immediately, but I wanted you to finish your comments. What I'm going to do is to suspend the meeting until after the vote. We have no control over these things. I apologize.

Then we'll continue our meeting until 5:30. I hope you'll be able to bear with us in regard to this.

This meeting is suspended until after the vote.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

I'd like to call this meeting back to order.

If it's okay with you, some members have suggested that we go to 10-minute rounds here, instead of the usual seven minutes for the first round. Does anybody here have an issue with that? We'll then go to five-minute rounds with whatever time we have remaining.

Is that agreeable to the committee?

All right. There are no objections.

As usual, we'll begin with Mr. Wilfert from the official opposition.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

Mr. Chairman, thank you for accepting that suggestion.

I want to thank the witnesses for coming here today.

As you know, we want to do a report that makes certain recommendations with regard to the non-military role for Canada in Afghanistan and also look at the other aspect on training.

The Prime Minister indicated the other day that corruption was the number one issue, in his view, as we've acknowledged around this table for a number of years now. We also note that the government has now indicated that it's going to reduce the amount of aid to Afghanistan.

Now, how do we do capacity-building, how do we deal with the rule of law, how do we deal with some of these issues if in fact corruption is the major issue? Again, I notice that corruption was not in one of the four objectives in the November 16 press conference of the three ministers. How are we going to address this particular issue of corruption?

Plus, what are the objectives and priorities of this task force and what it might suggest to this committee with regard to some of these other issues, such as the Dahla Dam? Are we, or are we not, going to be able to complete that on time? If we're not, what are the issues?

Finally, in terms of the three signature projects we have, can you give us an update on those?

I will leave the remainder of my 10 minutes for Mr. Dion.

4:20 p.m.

An hon. member

Good luck.

4:20 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

And as succinctly as possible, please.

Thank you.

4:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Afghanistan Task Force, Privy Council Office

Greta Bossenmaier

Mr. Chair, thank you.

There were a number of questions there, so if the committee permits, I'm going to suggest that we sort of work our way through those.

On dealing with corruption, I'll ask my colleague from Foreign Affairs to lead off on that question, and then perhaps my colleague from CIDA can speak on the signature projects and their status.

4:25 p.m.

Gordon Venner Assistant Deputy Minister, Afghanistan, Middle East and Maghreb, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

I just have a couple of points. We have actually had a fair number of specific initiatives dealing with corruption in the last little while. I can just run through them. Most of them are still under way.

Canada provides anti-corruption training to justice officials in Afghanistan. We assisted in the establishment of the High Office of Oversight and Anti-corruption, and we supported the drafting of anti-corruption legislation in Afghanistan. We also funded the development of a code of ethics and professionalism for justice officials, and we trained 1,000 officers.

We made a contribution of $80 million to the United Nations Development Programme's law-and-order trust fund for Afghanistan to help strengthen the rule of law. That trust fund helps ensure that police officers are paid regularly and directly, which helps build the morale of police services, increases officer retention, and reduces incentives for petty corruption.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

What benchmarks or measurements are you using to ensure that this in fact happens?

4:25 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Afghanistan, Middle East and Maghreb, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Gordon Venner

I'm not aware of a specific method for measuring that, but we provide direct training for Afghan officials, the national security forces, and police officers, for example, as an element of the overall training package.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

But you mentioned that there's no way you can tell us whether or not that's being achieved because you don't have any measurements.

4:25 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Afghanistan, Middle East and Maghreb, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Gordon Venner

Well, all of our aid benefits from external and internal monitoring. There are external and internal audits. There's the application of standardized fiduciary practices. There are multi-donor evaluations and there's regular financial reporting.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Bryon Wilfert Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

I presume, Mr. Chairman, that could be made available to this committee.

4:25 p.m.

A voice

Yes--

4:25 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Afghanistan, Middle East and Maghreb, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade