Evidence of meeting #21 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 39th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was producers.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Pierre Chouinard  President, Fédération des producteurs de pommes de terre du Québec
Philippe Gemme  President and Farmer, AMA-Terre
Richard St-Aubin  Vice-President, AMA-Terre
Clément Lalancette  Director General, Fédération des producteurs de pommes de terre du Québec
Denis Bilodeau  Vice-President, Union des producteurs agricoles du Québec
Serge Lebeau  Senior International Trade Manager, Union des producteurs agricoles du Québec
Rolf Penner  Farmer, Frontier Center for Public Policy

1:10 p.m.

Farmer, Frontier Center for Public Policy

Rolf Penner

A couple of things have come up a number of times concerning what the gentlemen have been saying. They've talked about critical mass and the voluntary system and that we need some government intervention to help out. In this case--the Canadian Wheat Board--the government intervention is not helping out. It is hindering us.

Earlier you asked about the Ontario experience and my thoughts on that one. Yes, when Ontario first went to the voluntary system they did go down to a 13% market share, but they've been coming up steadily ever since. The latest figures now show that they are at a solid 30% and growing. The reason they are growing is that they are now providing good services to their producers.

The key point is not only market share. Look at the acreage. The acreage in Ontario continues to increase, which means the producers are very confident in the system the way it is. They look at this and they say, “This is a good way of doing business. We're making more money. If we're making more money, we're going to do more of the same.” And that's what we're seeing in Ontario. And that's what we've seen in the west when it comes to the pork boards. The idea that if you allow producers the individual choice, they will never, ever market their crops or their animals or their products collectively is disingenuous. Of course they do.

I'm also a pork producer, and I work cooperatively with a whole bunch of producers in Manitoba. In Manitoba we have probably a half dozen such organizations that are all successfully marketing hogs on a voluntary basis. It works to the benefit of all the producers, because you have that competition between those different groups. They want to maximize their return to their producers and they want to be able to try to bring other producers in from other places and grow the industry organically, from itself.

Go ahead.

Alex Atamanenko NDP British Columbia Southern Interior, BC

Okay. I have another question.

If the Wheat Board is performing as poorly as some people state it is, and they have concerns, why have the board of directors and the members tolerated this so far? They compare the sales figures. If it has been doing as badly as people say, why hasn't there been an outcry amongst the members of the Wheat Board and the directors?

1:10 p.m.

Farmer, Frontier Center for Public Policy

Rolf Penner

Well, let me put the question back to you and say that if they're doing such a darn good job, why are they afraid of letting farmers themselves choose and vote with their trucks? If they're half as good and half as popular as their polls and indicators say, there is not going to be a concern for the Wheat Board to compete in the open market environment.

Alex Atamanenko NDP British Columbia Southern Interior, BC

So you don't believe that farmers themselves should have a choice in the direction they go?

1:10 p.m.

Farmer, Frontier Center for Public Policy

Rolf Penner

I believe they should have a choice, and I believe that choice starts and ends with their grain trucks. When they have to pay the bills--the fertilizer bills, the fuel bills, the land bills, the mortgages--and they have to fight off the insects and weeds, they have more than earned the right to market that product they have created in any way that they see fit.

Alex Atamanenko NDP British Columbia Southern Interior, BC

Should there be a vote by those who are using the Wheat Board, in your opinion?

1:15 p.m.

Farmer, Frontier Center for Public Policy

Rolf Penner

No. That goes back to my strawberry ice cream and chocolate ice cream analogy. It's an opinion poll that tells us who's on this side and who's on that side, but it doesn't really settle the matter. This is a feud that has been going on for probably 50 years, if not longer. We're not going to solve it with a vote. We need some decisiveness on this thing to finally get it over with.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gerry Ritz

Thank you, Mr. Atamanenko.

I think everyone was allowed to extend over time today, because they knew they'd only get one round. So I thank you for your cooperation.

This is the start of a week-long--in fact, probably two-week long--series of meetings on this issue.

Gentlemen, thank you so much for your interventions today. Thank you for your input. I look forward to seeing you again.

This meeting stands adjourned.