Well, certainly the ocean rates fluctuate quite a bit compared to lake rates, so how competitive they're going to be depends on the market. But you have realize that when you ship by ocean vessel out of Thunder Bay, you're not double-handling it. It goes in the vessel to its ultimate destination. When you travel by laker you have to pay that double handling and double elevation fee.
So a lot of increased efficiency could come to the port by using more of the ocean fleet.