The railways weren't involved in the discussions with the shipper group, nor were they involved in the discussions with Transport Canada. The thinking at that time was that the situation had regressed to such a point that there was no way we were going to be able to sit down and reach a consensus with the railways. Our objective was to come to Transport with some solutions that they said they would accept, and those were our expectations.
As for where the minister's head is at and how it got there, I can't comment because I don't know.