From a DFC perspective, from a Canadian Dairy Commission perspective, there are all kinds of innovation programs available and even some discounts available for domestic innovation. The fundamental difference between us and the processors is that when we look at market development innovation, we look at things from a domestic standpoint--at domestic price--as much as possible, and processors have a tendency to look at what kinds of innovations they can create with a cheaper raw material. They'll bring us back to special classes. They'll bring us back to....
The more our structural surplus increases, the more they look at that as an opportunity. They see us, because of the panel, now selling it for animal feed. We went through this dialogue at the CDC level and so on. Any innovation now in these areas is not based on world price, it's based on animal-feed price.
Very, very importantly, in 1999 the structural surplus was 26,000 tonnes, and that was roughly at the time that the imports of milk protein concentrates started to come in. Two years ago it was up to 75,000 tonnes of skim milk powder surplus. This year it's going to be around 60,000 tonnes. We've borne the cost of that. They see that as a little bit of a gold mine, to get cheap raw materials, and they're causing....