My feeling is that we could have people here; it's good, we can listen, and it's recorded. The feeling from the tobacco growers is that it should be pumped up another notch apart from this committee, to work with the minister, to get him to push for a high-level meeting with all the players at that level, so some decisions can be made, so we can get things going. That is the feeling I got when talking to Joe Preston.
I thought that was what Paul was referring to, and that's why we're trying to get that--