Yes, I'd like to respond to that.
For those not in supply management, trade is absolutely essential. We've actually been forced, because of the way our policy has developed in Canada, as a national organization to attend the Geneva meetings and stuff like that. We find it's really unfortunate that we can't settle this in Canada before we go to the world stage. We have so many people over there lobbying for the last minute that we're not sure if that's the way to do it.
Secondly, one of the points that I think most people should realize is that supply management is very important to their industry. We understand that. We respect it. But at the same time, if you think about the amount of money that has been capitalized into strictly quotas, are we really doing those people a favour?
I understand a dairy quota now is about $3,000 a cow or greater. So when you capitalize that, and Mr. Easter had a comment with respect to the national agricultural debt, from our information, the debt in supply management is growing faster than any other sector.