From Nova Scotia's perspective, we're looking at flexibility and companion programs. We want a made in Nova Scotia APF II. Yes, funding has got to be across Canada, but in Nova Scotia we need to have the ability to put in place those types of programs that are applicable to our farmers. Unless we get that 12% return, we cannot invest in the future.
I mentioned a $700 million debt load here in the province. The gentleman in cranberries has $10 million there. With 6% interest, it's $42 million. That's the budget the province puts into agriculture each year, $42 million. It wouldn't even pay our interest costs. So either we've got to get a return from the marketplace or we've got to use federal and provincial dollars in different ways, ways of ingenuity, and sit down and work together. We've got to work together, not compete against each other.