Yes, I'll go first.
I'm not sure we have consensus, and I'm not sure we'll ever achieve consensus on where we should go. But there's no question, a lot of what we do is going to be contained in the language. I'd say in terms of where the public comes from, we do it the hard way or we do it the easy way. If you don't want to pay up front in a tax, then we'll take it through the public treasury. One way or the other, we have to do it.
If you want to get some ideas on what we should do, talk to Wayne Easter. He put together a damn good report. It was done from the ground up. It was done from the producers. It was an excellent report. Go back to it. Everybody, take a good look at it. It's something that producers can very much identify with. We can put language around that and do what you like.
On production insurance, we can learn something from Quebec. I'm around the CFA table, and we all talk that language. We say let's adopt some of the things they do in Quebec; we like it.
One thing we can't do generally across this country is connect production insurance to CAIS. We can't do it. It's going downhill fast. Now we're talking about moving production insurance into livestock. When I heard it, I just about flipped. Come back three or four or five years from now, and I'll tell you right now, we won't have production insurance for livestock. It's just a dog's stomach. We have to consider how we do this.
The other thing is, let's connect some of these programs. We've fought for years to get the advance payments program in our province. We just started this year. But by God, can we get it? Not a chance. If we don't have production insurance in livestock—I'm a livestock producer--we don't have APP. Some people say let's put up the CAIS reference margins for security. Well, when you have no reference margin, you have no security for APP. So let's decouple this idea that we have to connect production insurance from that kind of a program.