Just to be clear, Mr. Chairman, no one on the panel this afternoon said we didn't want ad hoc programs. We said we want long-term programs that bring predictability to an industry that in Canada is carrying in excess of $46 billion of debt and in Ontario employs 755,000 people.
Ad hoc is what we have lived on. Every cent of it has been targeted and been much appreciated. But we're saying that when you look at the dynamics of that industry provincially and nationally and recognize how many people's livelihoods depend on a stable agricultural sector, we need to do better and we need to commit ourselves to predictable, bankable, long-term agricultural business risk management tools.