That can be up for debate.
The one thing I want to touch on and that I think our direction is wrong on is that it's important to provide good, safe products for our consumers and at as reasonable prices as possible, but the problem in the whole system—and I think the Competition Act has a role in this—is that what we're doing, which you just emphasized, Mr. Taylor, is concentrating so much on providing a cheap product that the people producing it aren't getting anything for it, or not enough to survive. That's wrong, and our direction needs to be changed.
Do you think it's right that a Loblaws or a Sobeys—and I'm just using these names because they're common, not to pick on them—is able to charge, for example, $100,000 or $250,000 for a supplier to put a product on the shelf? Just yes or no; I just want to hear the answer.